Talk:Development Wiki

Please, let us not further confuse things by renaming concepts without figuring out and stating clearly how things work. Let's focus on the Open questions instead.

The Develop Wiki or Development Wiki, formerly known as R&D wiki, is where software development concepts, wiki management problems, etc., are discussed. Eventually other material will be spun off into Research Wiki, formerly known as Opinion Wiki, which will be a large public wiki with slightly better governance than most of those.

Meanwhile, the Publish Wiki, (once Signal Wiki or Content Wiki), will have only the exact data required to generate the Consumerium buying signal. Nothing will get to this wiki until it has been debated thoroughly as research, and accepted by at least one faction as affecting individual buying criteria for those that trust them to make such decisions. This core data, some of it factionally defined, has to be good enough to justify deploying a whole healthy buying infrastructure just to get a look at it.

Proving this will require a pilot project.

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So maybe the process is:

I suppose this "process" refers to the information flow from the Research Wiki into the Signal Wiki which is confusing because before the distinction between Content Wiki (for facts) and Opinion Wiki (for subjective views and campaigns based on subjective criteria) was clear and as unambiguous as it can get -- Juxo 11:16, 23 Feb 2004 (EET)

No, it wasn't. Because the distinction between what is "subjective" and "objective" is up to the faction obviously. Does it take one troll to dispute something "objective" into subjectivity? Two? Six? Fourteen? It is a bogus distinction. One of the open questions is what form of w:consensus decision making should be assumed? And when we say something is "no longer an opinion but has become content" do we really mean "it isn't disputed by anyone editing here?" Or not by trusted people, or by significant numbers of trusted people? Is it right to say that the bureaucracy in a gov't handles "content" and the politicians only handle "opinion"? I think it isn't.

The name signal wiki just matches Consumerium buying signal, "buying signal wiki" would be even clearer. The name research wiki just admits that the opinions we share here are just as valid as the ones one might find in Wikipedia, probably more so, since we really care about solving a user-land problem, and they don't. That leaves the development wiki, which is an obvious name used in many other projects. Also the fact that we are doing both "R" and "D" in this mediawiki for now, is acknowledged, that just becomes two functions when we go to a pilot.

1. Stupid idea proposed in Development Wiki - trolls attack; Slightly less stupid ideas evolve like bacteria; Years of stupidity and trashing ideas might lead to one good 90 day sprint ever year, two or three 30 day sprints, and maybe five or six 14 day sprints. Maybe three to five man years of work per year of software development.

2. Based on arguments about above, power structure evolves in Development Wiki with loose idea of who will recruit trolls from where to support what position; Agreement on how to make sure that real user needs, random facts, and other user-land concerns are respected. For instance, limiting the total number of trolls to recruit from some large public wiki, or requiring the faction to go find and pay some poor people (even cheap outsourced coders) to disagree with them and their developed-world point of view. Agreements are informal.

3. Research Wiki with formal factions battle it out; They may gain or lose points in revert currency for violating trust of other factions. Whole thing is like a turn-based strategy game, politics as usual, or whatever. It tries to be about as complex as real political party stuff, but not worse than that hopefully. Nothing less complex is known to work except GodKing dictatorship, and that usually has bad real world results.

4. Signal Wiki takes only what all factions can agree is true. Since it's not "free" to push nonsense (see bet and revert currency), factions choose battles carefully, and let other factions win when there is no point opposing the truth.

5. Consumerium buying signal errors are identified by noble users who we trust more than our own core data; They come back as trolls to show us the error of our ways. When they die, AIs pretending to be them except way faster typing (!) come back to re-engineer the whole system to be trollish.

6. The trollish language evolves among the AIs and replaces English and the sysop power structure; Only AIs and really trolly trolls can understand it, and that only by dancing.

7. Civilization ends.