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My mama told me never to volunteer information. I don't see that strategy resulting in Consumerium or pubwan.

::[[Wikipedia]] proves people will contribute if they care. It doesn't prove that anything worthwhile results. And the [[sysop vandalism]] and [[sysop vigilantiism]] could be worth here if we figure out the [[Consumerium Process]] wrong. One mistake they made at Wikipedia was not figuring out how they would ever get a print version out at the end!

''Please, though, we have enough abstract terminology! We don't need to talk about "virtual objects" and other such non-terms here. We need if anything to focus on the concretes, so your input at [[Consumerium User Stories]], [[best cases]], etc., is welcomed particularly.''

Sorry if I have confused. I too am confused, as I lack the vocabulary to describe the models I visualize, so I look up things. Sometimes the result is disappointing.

::Well, we argue a lot about abstract terms here, for good reasons. We have to have an abstraction everywhere there's a choice. That's how coders think. So a [[Consumerium buying signal]] has an abstract name like "signal" since it might be [[print]], [[audio]], [[video]] displayed, compiled into a whole lot of such signals in a [[book]], or even be used to brief people walking around encouraging and helping people to buy only [[green light]] products, and etc. So there is clearly an abstract signal which shoves all these people towards one type of product and away from another - that's "[[moral purchasing power]]" and it will move them in a different direction than plain old [[advertising]]. We can justify the abstraction by the power it gives.

:::Of your proposed signals, I prefer most your idea of compiling a whole lot of them in a book. That practice is sometimes referred to as [[aggregation]].

:::I found a technical paper on this at http://www.gsm.uci.edu/~bakos/aig/aig.html, and it is also the basis of my proposal that interested persons try to de-package (informationally, at least) what I term "package deals," also known as "bundles."

:::<blockquote>There might be some interest in doing [[price premium]] comparisons automatically, say [[import]]ed [[transport|flying]] [[tomato]]es vs. nuclear [[greenhouse]] [[tomato]]es vs. [[renewable energy]] greenhouse [[tomato]]es</blockquote>

:::I have a considerable amount of interest in the [[price premuim]] concept, since bundles of premiums are in effect what is offered in what you term a [[service economy]].

:::<blockquote>but we really don't want to get involved into price data security issues right now.</blockquote>

:::I do, but that is pubwan, not consumerium. I must admit that I'm a little concerned that you see price data as a security issue. I view it as purely a [[transparency]] issue. It is my view that it is the many, not the few, who are [[stakeholder]]s in price data, in the aggregate.

:::Pax, Lori ([[N8chz]])

::If you want the terminology, you may find [[Recyclopedia]] useful, as it has some subjects censored at [[Wikipedia]] that are essential to [[Consumerium]] and similar projects.

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 My mama told me never to volunteer information.  I don't see that strategy resulting in Consumerium or pubwan.
+::[[Wikipedia]] proves people will contribute if they care.  It doesn't prove that anything worthwhile results.  And the [[sysop vandalism]] and [[sysop vigilantiism]] could be worth here if we figure out the [[Consumerium Process]] wrong.  One mistake they made at Wikipedia was not figuring out how they would ever get a print version out at the end!
 ''Please, though, we have enough abstract terminology!  We don't need to talk about "virtual objects" and other such non-terms here.  We need if anything to focus on the concretes, so your input at [[Consumerium User Stories]], [[best cases]], etc., is welcomed particularly.''
 Sorry if I have confused.  I too am confused, as I lack the vocabulary to describe the models I visualize, so I look up things.  Sometimes the result is disappointing.
+::Well, we argue a lot about abstract terms here, for good reasons.  We have to have an abstraction everywhere there's a choice.  That's how coders think.  So a [[Consumerium buying signal]] has an abstract name like "signal" since it might be [[print]], [[audio]], [[video]] displayed, compiled into a whole lot of such signals in a [[book]], or even be used to brief people walking around encouraging and helping people to buy only [[green light]] products, and etc.  So there is clearly an abstract signal which shoves all these people towards one type of product and away from another - that's "[[moral purchasing power]]" and it will move them in a different direction than plain old [[advertising]].  We can justify the abstraction by the power it gives.
+:::Of your proposed signals, I prefer most your idea of compiling a whole lot of them in a book.  That practice is sometimes referred to as [[aggregation]].
+:::I found a technical paper on this at http://www.gsm.uci.edu/~bakos/aig/aig.html, and it is also the basis of my proposal that interested persons try to de-package (informationally, at least) what I term "package deals," also known as "bundles."
+:::<blockquote>There might be some interest in doing [[price premium]] comparisons automatically, say [[import]]ed [[transport|flying]] [[tomato]]es vs. nuclear [[greenhouse]] [[tomato]]es vs. [[renewable energy]] greenhouse [[tomato]]es</blockquote>
+:::I have a considerable amount of interest in the [[price premuim]] concept, since bundles of premiums are in effect what is offered in what you term a [[service economy]].
+:::<blockquote>but we really don't want to get involved into price data security issues right now.</blockquote>
+:::I do, but that is pubwan, not consumerium.  I must admit that I'm a little concerned that you see price data as a security issue.  I view it as purely a [[transparency]] issue.  It is my view that it is the many, not the few, who are [[stakeholder]]s in price data, in the aggregate.
+:::Pax, Lori ([[N8chz]])
+::If you want the terminology, you may find [[Recyclopedia]] useful, as it has some subjects censored at [[Wikipedia]] that are essential to [[Consumerium]] and similar projects.