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::This is simply wrong. Choosing not to have an [[independent board]] retards the project considerably, contrast [[LongNow]]'s success at doing real action. It is only the [[sysop power structure]] and [[priestly hierarchy]] that benefit from having no actual legally competent board members for instance to tell them that [[Wikipedia violates GFDL]]. | ::This is simply wrong. Choosing not to have an [[independent board]] retards the project considerably, contrast [[LongNow]]'s success at doing real action. It is only the [[sysop power structure]] and [[priestly hierarchy]] that benefit from having no actual legally competent board members for instance to tell them that [[Wikipedia violates GFDL]]. | ||
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*'''False Claim:''' withholding of information regarding [[link transit]] at [[Wikipedia]] which would be very useful to editors, but also quite profitable for a [[search engine]] like Bomis; several attempts to raise this issue have been suppressed; in September 2004 [[User:TimStarling]] did some code to start to deal with it. | *'''False Claim:''' withholding of information regarding [[link transit]] at [[Wikipedia]] which would be very useful to editors, but also quite profitable for a [[search engine]] like Bomis; several attempts to raise this issue have been suppressed; in September 2004 [[User:TimStarling]] did some code to start to deal with it. | ||
===Motivation for critiqued practice=== | ::This is simply wrong. The claim was quite substantiated - no one had any access to this data as a direct result of decisions made by [[Wikimedia]], i.e. no [[independent board]] thus no serious funding thus no [[link transit]] data --[[142.177.X.X]] | ||
No one has requested this information. It is not analysed by Wikimedia or anyone else (eg. Bomis) currently according to several (unnamed per request) [[MediaWiki]] developers with shell access to all machines. | |||
:::Is it? '''You claimed that''' they are analysing the link transit and '''keep that information to themselves for commercial interests'''. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 19:18, 14 Sep 2004 (EEST) | |||
===Motivation for critiqued practice and debate about it=== | |||
According to someone whom I do not remember: No one has requested this information. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 19:18, 14 Sep 2004 (EEST) | |||
:A lie - both [[page view]] and [[link transit]] were constantly requested at [[Meta-Wikipedia]] since at least late 2002. [[142.177.X.X]] | |||
::Page view is a separate issue. File a new claim if you want. As for link transit data: No-one has had any software to analyse these and the raw logs cannot be released due to privacy concerns and besides the daily logs amount to some 5GB so most people would be unable to download it anyway. As for the [[page view count]] I'm sure a compromise between caching efficiency and returning to releasing the hit count could be negotiated if and because absolute accuracy is not needed, thus the count can be refreshed to the cached page every now and then with a note that the count is a little dated. Agreeable? Yes? I will take up this issue with the Wikimedia folk when I get my computer working (ie. have access to irc) --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 19:18, 14 Sep 2004 (EEST) | |||
::You claimed originally that Bomis is secretly analysing this information that can be extracted from httpd log files. This is not true, they don't even download the logs. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 19:18, 14 Sep 2004 (EEST) | |||
It is not analysed by Wikimedia or anyone else (eg. Bomis) currently according to several (unnamed per request) [[MediaWiki]] developers with shell access to all machines. | |||
Also Read [[link transit]]. Where [[User:TimStarling]] has come up with some code to implement part of the functionality that the false claim states to be in the posession and use of Wikimedia or Bomis. | Also Read [[link transit]]. Where [[User:TimStarling]] has come up with some code to implement part of the functionality that the false claim states to be in the posession and use of Wikimedia or Bomis. | ||
:That's nice - two years later under the pressure of being accused of [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]] in public they finally write some code that may or may not work. What's that worth? | |||
::You are welcome to fetch the code, compile and try it out on your own free [[MediaWiki]] installation (free too) if you have the time and a working computer (preferably unix based) --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 19:18, 14 Sep 2004 (EEST) | |||
:There is no reason to believe people in this [[conflict of interest]]. --[[142.177.X.X]] | |||
::I see is that there is no other thing to do exept to assume people are telling the truth. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 19:18, 14 Sep 2004 (EEST) | |||
===Resolution to being a false claim=== | ===Resolution to being a false claim=== | ||
See above motivation and [[link transit]]. It seems likely that this information will soon be made available to all interested parties | See above motivation and [[link transit]]. It seems likely that this information will soon be made available to all interested parties | ||
:Likely TO WHOM? | |||
::We'll see. Be patient. And please don't shout at me I'm not feeling well due to not having my computer and thus no irc or email --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 19:18, 14 Sep 2004 (EEST) | |||
**'''Claim moved to [[FUCOC]] by and on --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 18:50, 9 Sep 2004 (EEST) | **'''Claim moved to [[FUCOC]] by and on --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 18:50, 9 Sep 2004 (EEST) | ||