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My mama told me never to volunteer information.  I don't see that strategy resulting in Consumerium or pubwan.
 
My mama told me never to volunteer information.  I don't see that strategy resulting in Consumerium or pubwan.
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::[[Wikipedia]] proves people will contribute if they care.  It doesn't prove that anything worthwhile results.  And the [[sysop vandalism]] and [[sysop vigilantiism]] could be worth here if we figure out the [[Consumerium Process]] wrong.  One mistake they made at Wikipedia was not figuring out how they would ever get a print version out at the end!
  
 
''Please, though, we have enough abstract terminology!  We don't need to talk about "virtual objects" and other such non-terms here.  We need if anything to focus on the concretes, so your input at [[Consumerium User Stories]], [[best cases]], etc., is welcomed particularly.''
 
''Please, though, we have enough abstract terminology!  We don't need to talk about "virtual objects" and other such non-terms here.  We need if anything to focus on the concretes, so your input at [[Consumerium User Stories]], [[best cases]], etc., is welcomed particularly.''
  
 
Sorry if I have confused.  I too am confused, as I lack the vocabulary to describe the models I visualize, so I look up things.  Sometimes the result is disappointing.
 
Sorry if I have confused.  I too am confused, as I lack the vocabulary to describe the models I visualize, so I look up things.  Sometimes the result is disappointing.
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::Well, we argue a lot about abstract terms here, for good reasons.  We have to have an abstraction everywhere there's a choice.  That's how coders think.  So a [[Consumerium buying signal]] has an abstract name like "signal" since it might be [[print]], [[audio]], [[video]] displayed, compiled into a whole lot of such signals in a [[book]], or even be used to brief people walking around encouraging and helping people to buy only [[green light]] products, and etc.  So there is clearly an abstract signal which shoves all these people towards one type of product and away from another - that's "[[moral purchasing power]]" and it will move them in a different direction than plain old [[advertising]].  We can justify the abstraction by the power it gives.
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::If you want the terminology, you may find [[Recyclopedia]] useful, as it has some subjects censored at [[Wikipedia]] that are essential to [[Consumerium]] and similar projects.

Revision as of 00:12, 22 March 2004

Pubwan is a nice set of links. Nice work. You should add Recyclopedia (a superset of Wikipedia that has a much better management paradigm) and Metaweb (working on new tools to process things like the Consumerium:intermediate page, in fact that idea came from them), and other essential projects and interesting projects we have listed.

It would be really ideal if you created a bunch of articles on these topics in particular:

Please, though, we have enough abstract terminology! We don't need to talk about "virtual objects" and other such non-terms here. We need if anything to focus on the concretes, so your input at Consumerium User Stories, best cases, etc., is welcomed particularly.


Hi N8chz,

Great to see you here. I've always been so happy to see your edits to voting systems articles on Wikipedia.

Peace,

DanKeshet


Welcome to Consumerium N8czh. Pubwan is of high interest to us here at consumerium. Expecially the link to http://www.upcdatabase.com/ that you've provided might prove enormously valuable to Consumerium:Itself. I hope you enjoy contributing to our cause --Juxo 13:30, 13 Mar 2004 (EET)


*large scale cataloging of package deals - like buying coops? We call these factions and support institutional buying criteria they share

Actually, what I (Lorraine Lee, aka n8chz) had in mind here is simply the linearization of nonlinear pricing schemes. I understand that pricing is not a primary concern of Consumerium. Prices are said to contain information, though. I can see how you do not want Consumerium to degenerate into a "shop bot."

Linearization of non-linear price schemes? Here in Finland where I live we have mandatory standardised pricing labeling in stores ie. there are the prices per litre or per kilogram in all labels, this makes price comparison much simpler. There might be some interest in doing price premium comparisons automatically, say imported flying tomatoes vs. nuclear greenhouse tomatoes vs. renewable energy greenhouse tomatoes, but we really don't want to get involved into price data security issues right now. --Juxo 13:58, 21 Mar 2004 (EET)

*recruiting the Consumerium:contributor - which you call "information volunteer"

My mama told me never to volunteer information. I don't see that strategy resulting in Consumerium or pubwan.

Wikipedia proves people will contribute if they care. It doesn't prove that anything worthwhile results. And the sysop vandalism and sysop vigilantiism could be worth here if we figure out the Consumerium Process wrong. One mistake they made at Wikipedia was not figuring out how they would ever get a print version out at the end!

Please, though, we have enough abstract terminology! We don't need to talk about "virtual objects" and other such non-terms here. We need if anything to focus on the concretes, so your input at Consumerium User Stories, best cases, etc., is welcomed particularly.

Sorry if I have confused. I too am confused, as I lack the vocabulary to describe the models I visualize, so I look up things. Sometimes the result is disappointing.

Well, we argue a lot about abstract terms here, for good reasons. We have to have an abstraction everywhere there's a choice. That's how coders think. So a Consumerium buying signal has an abstract name like "signal" since it might be print, audio, video displayed, compiled into a whole lot of such signals in a book, or even be used to brief people walking around encouraging and helping people to buy only green light products, and etc. So there is clearly an abstract signal which shoves all these people towards one type of product and away from another - that's "moral purchasing power" and it will move them in a different direction than plain old advertising. We can justify the abstraction by the power it gives.
If you want the terminology, you may find Recyclopedia useful, as it has some subjects censored at Wikipedia that are essential to Consumerium and similar projects.