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    '''Non-neutral points of view''' include:
    ''This article is disputed as being absolute nonsense due to its stupid title.''


    *[http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.php?title=Sympathetic_point_of_view Symphatetic point of view], which is said to be implemented in [[Wikinfo]], a [[fork]] of [[Wikipedia]]
    The so-called "[[neutral point of view]]" is a state where all disputed statements have [[attribution]].  However, this is not "neutral" with respect to what is disputed, by who, or how often.  And any neutrality is defined by some set of arbitrators or controllers, in [[large public wiki]]s this is typically a [[sysop power structure]] that uses the claim that something is "not neutral" to bolster their own power, and reinforce [[systemic bias]].  These people would say that '''non-neutral points of view''' include:
    *[[Critical point of view]] - opposite of [[Admiring point of view]] - these will be expressed in [[Opinion Wiki]]
    *[[Sysop Vandal point of view]] - which is basically defined by [[trollist]]s as "we have more advanced weapons then thou point of view" - This will be claimed by [[trollist]]s to prevail in [[Publish Wiki]] no matter what we do
    *[[New Troll point of view]] - which claims there is no [[Consumerium:Neutral point of view|Neutral point of view]] - [[NTPOV]] will likely be attempted to guide us in governing [[Research Wiki]] in order to avoid getting anyone's leg bitten off (ie. being [[troll-friendly]])
    * [[Consensual point of view]]
    * [[Multiple point of view]]


    '''See also:'''
    *[http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.php?title=Sympathetic_point_of_view Sympathetic point of view], which is said to be implemented in [[Wikinfo]], a [[fork]] of [[Wikipedia]], which in practice could include [[advertising]] or [[funded troll]]s promoting a concept - who can demand parallel articles for the most contentious subjects be created to express:
    *[[NPOV]]
    *[[Critical point of view]] - including disapproval of the concept itself, and claims that it does not exist;  [[trolls]] argue that '''non-neutral point of view''' itself is merely an invented mechanism used by others to define them as "wrong" - they would prefer that this article be from a very critical POV, and consider it presently to be from a:
    *[[Governance by Kit-Kat McFlurry]]
    *[[Sysop Vandal point of view]] - which is basically defined by [[trollist]]s as "[[technological escalation|we have more advanced weapons than thou]] point of view";  This will be claimed by [[trollist]]s to prevail in [[Publish Wiki]] as long as there is such a thing as "[[Opinion Wiki]]" which requires vandalism ([[sysop vandalism|someone deciding things are opinions and moving them there]]) and as long as there is more power given to old trolls than to the:
    *[[New Troll point of view]] - which claims there is no [[Consumerium:Neutral point of view|Neutral point of view]]; [[NTPOV]] will likely be attempted to guide us in governing [[Research Wiki]] in order to avoid getting anyone's leg bitten off (ie. being [[troll-friendly]])
    * [[Consensual point of view]] - articles where [[faction]] differences are muted
    * [[Multiple point of view]] - articles where [[faction]] differences are overt
     
    A less painful way to express the above debate, is that '''Consumerium point of view''' is [[factionally-defined]], and that each faction has its own POV that it can agree on ''with others of that faction.''  Each [[Research Wiki]] page is effectively a battleground for [[duelling POV]], and this conflict helps to bring out the truth - in an [[adversarial process]] such as is applied in court.
     
    Articles might then be divided among a [[Consumerium:Greens|Green]] or [[Consumerium:Pinks|Pink]] or [[Consumerium:Red|Red]] point of view, depending on the factions, but are not reduced to "sympathetic/critical" or "consensual/multiple" as these are not axes that are derived from real values.
     
    [[Governance by Kit-Kat McFlurry]] is yet another management paradigm when whoever has [[controll]] of the [[fast food]] syrup supply and freezer gets to do awful things to whoever they think are [[trolls]] using these mechanisms.

    Revision as of 16:59, 2 July 2004

    This article is disputed as being absolute nonsense due to its stupid title.

    The so-called "neutral point of view" is a state where all disputed statements have attribution. However, this is not "neutral" with respect to what is disputed, by who, or how often. And any neutrality is defined by some set of arbitrators or controllers, in large public wikis this is typically a sysop power structure that uses the claim that something is "not neutral" to bolster their own power, and reinforce systemic bias. These people would say that non-neutral points of view include:

    A less painful way to express the above debate, is that Consumerium point of view is factionally-defined, and that each faction has its own POV that it can agree on with others of that faction. Each Research Wiki page is effectively a battleground for duelling POV, and this conflict helps to bring out the truth - in an adversarial process such as is applied in court.

    Articles might then be divided among a Green or Pink or Red point of view, depending on the factions, but are not reduced to "sympathetic/critical" or "consensual/multiple" as these are not axes that are derived from real values.

    Governance by Kit-Kat McFlurry is yet another management paradigm when whoever has controll of the fast food syrup supply and freezer gets to do awful things to whoever they think are trolls using these mechanisms.