TrollTing
This is the ting of the trolls. If you speak here the trolls will hear you.
The sequence ot this page is reverse to the common habbit in wiki. Write new text right under the bar please:
Speak up to the trolls
"then again a newbie arrives or a conflict emerges and all the dragging around about the correct position of the carrot starts again. Fataly there is a superordinate power in this mechanism which is superior to the work on the actual content. All keep an eye on the nose-carrot distance and compare it permanently to their own ideal conception." - MindTheGap.
- "Superordinate power"? The medium is the message. "Correct position of the carrot"? From whose perspective? Newbies and conflict? See New Troll point of view. Either you optimize to favour newbies in conflict with old trolls, and grow, or you favour those who simply got there first, and watch the whole thing wither and die.
I shall think and read about your reasons, thanks for the response. Gimme a bit o' time please, gnaw on, but MindTheGap.
'Have no pics here, eh? How come? -- MattisManzel 23:54, 3 Jul 2004 (EEST)
Trolls don't remember agreeing to actually respond to hearsay, rumours, nonsense here. But we will anyway just to be arbitrary (being trolls). Don't expect us to be polite, we are still trolls.
Only sysops "can support, strenghten and become part of a healthy and peacefull global HiveMind." Trolls prefer the present squabbling nasty biodiversity of the world tree with all its conflict and delights. We will gnaw on this "HiveMind" or "virtual community" until it bleeds to death. We will not join it. Let the sysops kill themselves trying to find and then enforce God's Eye View. Feh. Trolls know this view is not available to mere living creatures. Trolls seek only to make these no body entities less destructive to what is alive. Which includes, of course, we the trolls.
Heya trolls, you wrote on CW:
"Accordingly, trolls will be the actual community, and the sysops merely the cops." I agree, "somehow". It's a bit surprising actually. The "somehow" is important. It means figuring out a.) who/what a troll is, b.) who/what a sysop is. About a.) you have been thinking about that here, I haven't had the time to read that yet, but I'll try to. I just started to realize what a troll is (and it takes long for me to read as it's in english). B.) A sysop. System operator. Not too much of a good term, as mostly too wide and not precise I think. You mean people, I guess to the very majority they are syspops or admins, who haven't understood wiki. This is very generaly spoken and in no way precise. I has to be thought about how a person with administrative rights - these will be ineviteable until wiki is completely decentralized - should act to in order to provide a sourrounding that can support, strenghten and become part of a healthy and peacefull global HiveMind.
Let's take it very cool. It will work out by far the best like that. -- MattisManzel 19:00, 3 Jul 2004 (EEST)
You bore me, as you are not funny and as you aren't but repeating the same stuff over and over. You are not open, your Zauber sucks. Sorry, but I'll return to work with people who know how to groove as, yes, I'm still -- MattisManzel 09:10, 5 Jul 2004 (EEST) (Why don't you just give it a try with mini-golf instead?)
See how your things get deleted on CW? Sad, but I can do nothing about that. You have no face and no mouth, that's the only problem. It is your way that makes it impossible for anyone to hear you. We wanna jam. We're best when we jam. But we can't jam with you. You could right now in this very moment make a real nage page on CW, even put a real pic of you on it if you feel like, say "Hello, I'm the troll from before, but anyhow. I do a little this and that." and it all would be completetly different. People'd say: "Hi RealName, you really got on our nerves, Welcome on CW. But you won't. You are too soaked with your sadness, you are too weak and you are too ineffective. I'm sorry about it.
- I'm a different troll and I don't know what you are talking about. But sure you want to prescribe how people should cooperate with your system. Other communities only ask for a name, you ask for an image. Other communities only ask for polite cooperation, you ask for Zauber and a jam-like resonance. Accept that our cooperation is not-cooperation and a necessary mirror to your rediculous expectations of behaviour.
Well I overread the "ridiculous" (ridere, to laugh in italian, your english is very good, better than mine, but you're neither a native speaker, TrollyDear, are you?), I accept the rest. Yes, I have an idea about what works and what not. I have an idea how to shape this world to make it work better. I have an idea about the world-tree. And I try to behave in a way, and I look out if it is effective and I think about how could I change it to make it become more effective. I do it openly so that people can see it, and I hope that people think: "Hey, this works - I'll try it that way too." But I do not prescribe anything to anybody, all I give is an example and recommendations. Nobody has to follow these. Nobody has to, everybody can - that's wiki. Tell me when you find things I wrote where this does not apply, this is most important for me to know. A pic and Zauber is the least to ask for when into effective wikiwork (the latter counts - the pic is helpful). "Butter bei die Fische!", as you say in German. Or do you want this to take for ever and a day?