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stay open, work with Indymedia for Research Wiki input? or Adbusters?
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Last weekend I got my move to [[w:Tampere|Tampere]] mostly finalized though most of the stuff is now around my room in boxes and bags and I have to sort them out and find a place for all stuff. I should be getting [[w:ADSL|ADSL]] access in one to two weeks time which will help me contribute more | Last weekend I got my move to [[w:Tampere|Tampere]] mostly finalized though most of the stuff is now around my room in boxes and bags and I have to sort them out and find a place for all stuff. I should be getting [[w:ADSL|ADSL]] access in one to two weeks time which will help me contribute more | ||
Yesterday I had a meetup with [[User:Linkola|Linkola]] who is working on his doctorate in http://www.uiah.fi . I'm half way reading through his masters thesis and will write a brief summary of it here. It contains lots of interesting research information about [[consumer]] wishes, hopes, fears and practical information about '''how''' consumers use the information about [[product]]s supplied to them currently. He renewed his commitment to become one of the founding members of Consumerium Association of Finland. He was most interested in getting a pilot project hastily off the ground and to get to analysing '''how and what information consumers use for making decicions''', so I'm betting that he would be very interested in [[link transit]] data which has been a hot potato around here for quite some while now. He also expressed his view that we should start with a limited group of users, but I countered that with the fact that we have for a long time been planning for a system that is accessible to everyone without any limitations of scope as to users. I understand that having one single group (ie. the members of some association with interest in these things we are to be dealing with) would make for better research material for his doctorate if he decides to include Consumerium in some way in his post-graduate studies. The discussion we had was intense and I found it very pleasing to actually get to talk about these things face-to-face and not via [[wiki]]. | Yesterday I had a meetup with [[User:Linkola|Linkola]] who is working on his doctorate in http://www.uiah.fi . I'm half way reading through his masters thesis and will write a brief summary of it here. It contains lots of interesting research information about [[consumer]] wishes, hopes, fears and practical information about '''how''' consumers use the information about [[product]]s supplied to them currently. | ||
:It's very easy to study what they look at. It's very hard to study how it affects them. Focus on [[price premium]] perhaps as the indicator that can be made objective? That is, someone buys the [[green light]] product even though it costs 10 Eurocents more than the [[red light]] - but if it costs 15 they do not buy either, or, they actually buy the red light product. That's the kind of data you need to determine what the actual willingness of people to pay more to satisfy [[individual buying criteria]] is. | |||
He renewed his commitment to become one of the founding members of Consumerium Association of Finland. He was most interested in getting a [[pilot project]] hastily off the ground and to get to analysing '''how and what information consumers use for making decicions''', so I'm betting that he would be very interested in [[link transit]] data which has been a hot potato around here for quite some while now. | |||
:Yes, clearly it's of even more use to [[Consumerium Services]] or other serious [[wiki mission]]s than to those [[Wikimedia|bogus pseudo-encyclopedists]] who don't even understand why it's important, or pretend not to (more likely unless they are stupid). | |||
He also expressed his view that we should start with a limited group of users, but I countered that with the fact that we have for a long time been planning for a system that is accessible to everyone without any limitations of scope as to users. | |||
:It is obviously better to have wide-open editorial policy that is [[troll-friendly]] and immune to [[propaganda]] or takeover by any one [[faction]] - else who would trust the data? This is just typical academic belief on his part, that somehow cliques can be made trustworthy. It's fairly obvious that without the wide-open policy, none of the design work would have gotten done. | |||
I understand that having one single group (ie. the members of some association with interest in these things we are to be dealing with) would make for better research material for his doctorate if he decides to include Consumerium in some way in his post-graduate studies. The discussion we had was intense and I found it very pleasing to actually get to talk about these things face-to-face and not via [[wiki]]. | |||
:It would be useful to support a doctoral study on [[moral purchasing]] but we really need a [[Research Wiki]] to actually start to compile [[intermediate page]]s on all the things we care about. We are long past due to do that, and other projects are passing us. We can't rely on [[CorpKnowPedia]] and [[Consumerpedia]] and [[Wikipedia]] and [[Disinfopedia]] to track these things, though, we might from time to time rely on information from all of them. [[Wikinfo]] might be useful to track [[sympathetic point of view]] of various movements like [[no old growth]] or [[dolphin free]], but, not to track corps, since the [[Coca-Cola]] article there must be sympathetic to Coca-Cola! So we have a niche to fill that has not been filled. Perhaps work with [[Indymedia]] on this, as they expose corporate misbehaviour a lot? | |||
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