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Vaguely, the idea so far is: | Vaguely, the idea so far is: | ||
==Research Wiki== | |||
*Anonymous [[trolls]] dump unreliable crap data into the [[Research Wiki]] claiming it has excellent credentials and is true beyond reasonable doubt. | |||
*Actual researchers investigate these claims to the best of their ability and refine this crap into [[Consumerium:intermediate page]]s that they sign and [[edits, votes and bets|somehow stake something on so we know they believe it]]. | |||
*The crap and quality must co-exist in the same wiki, this is where it gets sorted out. | |||
*One option besides signing, would be to use '''time not edited''', that an article is not edited by anyone to determine when it goes to the [[Signal Wiki]] but this apparently has the disadvantage that people who wish to stop some intermediate article reaching the Signal Wiki could make trivial edits to keep the time from elapsing. | |||
==Signal Wiki== | |||
*Signed pages are assumed correct by default. | |||
*But because this information is not factually reliable, and there might be serious implications of releasing it, it goes through a final stage at the [[Signal Wiki]] where the [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] makes its standard disclaimers and if necessary edits out stuff that it can't release, perhaps per country. | |||
*We don't say that ''anything'' is necessarily a "fact", for legal reasons, ''Note that the [[Content Wiki]] conception assumed that we could. But, really, we can't.'' | |||
==Campaigns== | |||
IMHO [[Campaigns]] are essential to the generating the [[Consumerium buying signal]] so I think they should be in [[Signal Wiki]]. Not sure though. Any arguments against?--[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 23:31, 11 Mar 2004 (EET) | |||
I suggest that [[Campaigns]] and [[TCE]] functionality should go to the [[Signal Wiki]] for the [[Campaign]]-functionality is briefly described as '''facts''' about some[[body]] expressing an '''opinion''' about something or '''facts''' about someones '''support''' for some '''opinion''' | |||
Now the strict multilevel security measures described in [[Opinion Wiki]] will have to be played down to make [[Signal Wiki]] operation more feasible. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 22:13, 11 Mar 2004 (EET) | |||
Things that campaigns claim are true should be fact-checked, like any other research. | |||
:Why? [[Campaigns]] can state whatever (as long as it's not offensive) and if it bears no resemblance to reality then the [[votes|support]] of the Campaign would be relatively low rendering it "out of sight" or the bottom of the pack. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 13:30, 14 Mar 2004 (EET) | |||
So there's an argument to require them to encounter "the other side", i.e. opposing [[faction]]s, fairly early. Though, for a campaign to be effective, it would have to be able to propagate its own idea of its message into the [[Signal Wiki]], so, probably, it has a presence in both of these. One can think of it as somewhat higher integrity [[advertising]], perhaps. | |||
The difference between [[Campaign]] and not, might be, a campaign signal must be passed or failed, and cannot be edited. | |||
:What does pass or fail mean in practice? The [[Lowest Troll]] does not understand. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 13:30, 14 Mar 2004 (EET) | |||
While one can edit a non-campaign signal. Note that [[advertising]] for [[green light]] products would work on the same grounds, and we might be able to charge for those to make the whole [[healthy signal infrastructure]] [[self-funding]]. Just one of many ideas to make us less dependent on [[volunteer labour]], which always comes with biases. | |||
==Development Wiki== | |||
*Every problem ends up back at this [[Development Wiki]] or [[Noise Wiki]] as it's humorically called by some where more [[trolls]] gnaw on it. | |||
See also [[Talk:Development Wiki]] for more on this. | See also [[Talk:Development Wiki]] for more on this. | ||
==Paper Consumerium== | |||
:Also we should rethink everything about [[Signal Wiki]] to accomodate the concerns [[User:DanKeshet]] raised. The idea of printing a book is a good one, and it's now dealt with in [[Consumerium buying signal]] directly. It is lower tech than the [[audio]] stuff even. And it would certainly serve for instance purposes like the [[Big Carrot]]'s, they could print the book and go through to figure out if they really had to stock a product, or if they could ditch it and there was sufficient competing substitutes (something a human has to figure out). Remember, getting the crap off the [[retail shelf]] entirely has the biggest impact! Anyone willing to be [[friendly retail]] might also be quite willing to vet their products this way! | :Also we should rethink everything about [[Signal Wiki]] to accomodate the concerns [[User:DanKeshet]] raised. The idea of printing a book is a good one, and it's now dealt with in [[Consumerium buying signal]] directly. It is lower tech than the [[audio]] stuff even. And it would certainly serve for instance purposes like the [[Big Carrot]]'s, they could print the book and go through to figure out if they really had to stock a product, or if they could ditch it and there was sufficient competing substitutes (something a human has to figure out). Remember, getting the crap off the [[retail shelf]] entirely has the biggest impact! Anyone willing to be [[friendly retail]] might also be quite willing to vet their products this way! |