Talk:Consumerium Process: Difference between revisions
re various policies.
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Things that campaigns claim are true should be fact-checked, like any other research. | Things that campaigns claim are true should be fact-checked, like any other research. | ||
:Why? [[Campaigns]] can state whatever (as long as it's not offensive) and if it bears no resemblance to reality then the [[votes|support]] of the Campaign would be relatively low rendering it "out of sight" or the bottom of the pack. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 13:30, 14 Mar 2004 (EET) | :Why? [[Campaigns]] can state whatever (as long as it's not offensive) and if it bears no resemblance to reality then the [[votes|support]] of the Campaign would be relatively low rendering it "out of sight" or the bottom of the pack. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 13:30, 14 Mar 2004 (EET) | ||
::do not use vague words like "support" to mean something specific that is actually any of [[edits, votes and bets]], however this is done. Until you can say how this works, you can't say that things that aren't true from my [[point of view]] won't be visible to me. | |||
So there's an argument to require them to encounter "the other side", i.e. opposing [[faction]]s, fairly early. Though, for a campaign to be effective, it would have to be able to propagate its own idea of its message into the [[Signal Wiki]], so, probably, it has a presence in both of these. One can think of it as somewhat higher integrity [[advertising]], perhaps. | So there's an argument to require them to encounter "the other side", i.e. opposing [[faction]]s, fairly early. Though, for a campaign to be effective, it would have to be able to propagate its own idea of its message into the [[Signal Wiki]], so, probably, it has a presence in both of these. One can think of it as somewhat higher integrity [[advertising]], perhaps. | ||
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The difference between [[Campaign]] and not, might be, a campaign signal must be passed or failed, and cannot be edited. | The difference between [[Campaign]] and not, might be, a campaign signal must be passed or failed, and cannot be edited. | ||
:What does pass or fail mean in practice? The [[Lowest Troll]] does not understand. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 13:30, 14 Mar 2004 (EET) | :What does pass or fail mean in practice? The [[Lowest Troll]] does not understand. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 13:30, 14 Mar 2004 (EET) | ||
::To avoid being bitten on the leg by the [[Lowest Troll], the lowly but not lowest [[trolls]] say: either you see the campaign as it was designed to be seen, or you do not see it at all. It is never filtered or censored and it is not subject to [[factionally defined]] [[edit]]s. Fair? It's just like doing an [[ad campaign]] which is hopefully more like a [[public service campaign]]. | |||
While one can edit a non-campaign signal. Note that [[advertising]] for [[green light]] products would work on the same grounds, and we might be able to charge for those to make the whole [[healthy signal infrastructure]] [[self-funding]]. Just one of many ideas to make us less dependent on [[volunteer labour]], which always comes with biases. | While one can edit a non-campaign signal. Note that [[advertising]] for [[green light]] products would work on the same grounds, and we might be able to charge for those to make the whole [[healthy signal infrastructure]] [[self-funding]]. Just one of many ideas to make us less dependent on [[volunteer labour]], which always comes with biases. | ||
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:Also we should rethink everything about [[Signal Wiki]] to accomodate the concerns [[User:DanKeshet]] raised. The idea of printing a book is a good one, and it's now dealt with in [[Consumerium buying signal]] directly. It is lower tech than the [[audio]] stuff even. And it would certainly serve for instance purposes like the [[Big Carrot]]'s, they could print the book and go through to figure out if they really had to stock a product, or if they could ditch it and there was sufficient competing substitutes (something a human has to figure out). Remember, getting the crap off the [[retail shelf]] entirely has the biggest impact! Anyone willing to be [[friendly retail]] might also be quite willing to vet their products this way! | :Also we should rethink everything about [[Signal Wiki]] to accomodate the concerns [[User:DanKeshet]] raised. The idea of printing a book is a good one, and it's now dealt with in [[Consumerium buying signal]] directly. It is lower tech than the [[audio]] stuff even. And it would certainly serve for instance purposes like the [[Big Carrot]]'s, they could print the book and go through to figure out if they really had to stock a product, or if they could ditch it and there was sufficient competing substitutes (something a human has to figure out). Remember, getting the crap off the [[retail shelf]] entirely has the biggest impact! Anyone willing to be [[friendly retail]] might also be quite willing to vet their products this way! | ||
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About links in section headers: this should be required for [[Consumerium:intermediate page]]s or any other page where the section heading is standard and has a standard meaning that is explained on the linked-to page. It should also be required where there is a full page on the issue and it's a proper noun, e.g. [[Paper Consumerium]]. For generics it probably should not be, as the whole generic explanation may not be appropriate. In general you need a good reason to keep comment on an issue that there's already a full page about, on THIS page, and the link-in-section-title reminds of that. | |||