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update on Simple English issue - we're stuck writing our own definitions for concepts that actually help non-English native speakers resolve or understand conflicts between users; we're unique
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::Ah, but what meaning comes *first*? Which is implied as most common? There are politics in dictionaries. I agree however that the glossary is not only those terms, and that Wiktionary is not the sole or even best place to enable the Consumerium mission (against [[Consumerism]] without values "u" hold dear). And I totally agree that Wiktionary should not believe Consumerium is altering the meanings of words in any way other than by changing public impression and priority. But hopefully we *will* do that. | ::Ah, but what meaning comes *first*? Which is implied as most common? There are politics in dictionaries. I agree however that the glossary is not only those terms, and that Wiktionary is not the sole or even best place to enable the Consumerium mission (against [[Consumerism]] without values "u" hold dear). And I totally agree that Wiktionary should not believe Consumerium is altering the meanings of words in any way other than by changing public impression and priority. But hopefully we *will* do that. | ||
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Re: the [[glossary]] and collaborating with [[essential projects]] and not [[enemy projects]]. | |||
:::Forget Wiktionary, we need [[Simple English]]. There are now good articles on [[time horizon]], [[contact network]], [[power network]], [[social network]], [[social capital]] here, which mention only the features of it we need to talk about to do work here. Full articles in Simple English will hopefully appear on all the concepts in the [[glossary]], right? These can just appear normally since we aren't using any word in any sense other than its normal sense. There's no distortion involved here, just certain articles we want to get corrected faster than others. | :::Forget Wiktionary, we need [[Simple English]]. There are now good articles on [[time horizon]], [[contact network]], [[power network]], [[social network]], [[social capital]] here, which mention only the features of it we need to talk about to do work here. Full articles in Simple English will hopefully appear on all the concepts in the [[glossary]], right? These can just appear normally since we aren't using any word in any sense other than its normal sense. There's no distortion involved here, just certain articles we want to get corrected faster than others. | ||
:::Unfortunately, despite the fact that these exact concepts are the ones required to discuss [[governance]] with non-English speaking users, or if you are conspiracy-minded, ''because'' those are the concepts required to get them out of an [[unequal power relationship]] and dealing as equals with sysops, the articles on [[contact network]], [[power network]] and [[social network]] were all deleted by [[User:Angela]] or some other relatively unaccountable sysop... so the [[Simple English Wikipedia]] is not a reliable place to collaborate on, maybe ''especially'' not, concepts absolutely essential to our [[governance]], to allow us to do [[consensus decision-making]] even with people from quite different cultures. We can't get into, or trust, an [[inquisitor]] culture... | |||
::They raised some [[IP block]]s, but, they'll probably block 'em again as soon as a personal friend of the [[GodKing]] is offended, and they simply don't have a real workable definition of [[Simple English]] that would serve the purposes they claim to serve. So now I recommend we work only on our own [[glossary]], and if they want to nab some text, fine, let 'em, its all [[GFDL]] anyway. It would have been nice to be able to fully define something at the SEW and then refer only to a more focused definition here, but, that is just not reliable with the present [[sysop power structure]] there, even if it's slightly less oppressive than it was yesterday. | |||
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