User:Jukeboksi/Blog/February2004
10.2.2004
- Trolls request that User:Juxo state some opinion about the issue at User_talk:Angela (deleting talk files that contain clear warnings about things like use of echo chamber tactics). Trolls don't object to moving certain advice to not trust certain people to 142.X.X.X/Flames but we do object to simply deleting talk without answering to any of the points therein. (11.2.2004: note the totally different attitude obvious in 142.X.X.X/Tim_Starling vs. that in 142.X.X.X/Angela - some people know what the issues are, others don't care and just excuse themselves based on what others are doing, and these dialogues help make that crystal clear.)
- Also, since Wikipedian Trash seem to be willing to come here, there's no good reason to believe that quality people wasting their time at Wikipedia fighting them might not like to come here also, where there's a more level playing field. And more intelligent beliefs about Consumerium Governance at least.
4.2.2004
It's been looking like for some time now that to make Transparent Consumerium work we will have to develop into the direction of multiple regional wikis thus Consumeria (plural), but the real issue to solve is how to arrange them and make them interact smoothly. If all internal content is licensed under GFDL it would make governance easier because of the ability to fork.
- No, just sending dissidents off to compete with you doesn't "make governance easier". There should be one regional Consumerium per ecologically and linguistically sane region, and it must work hard to retain a monopoly. To allow corporate spinoffs and competitors with tons of money to take the same content and create an only slightly fudged version destroys the integrity of the whole system. It's a cop-out. A more robust consortium than GFDL allows for must be there. Creative Commons might allow for the kind of use we need for internal content.
Naturally there will be an international Consumerium for multinational companies and brands. Also an advantage in Consumeria approach is that server load can be broken down into many small streams and connection costs reduced by hosting locally.
- Yes, local hosting makes sense, and local variants working in local languages make sense. Permitting arbitrary spinoffs does not. But arbitrary hosting is fine.
2.2.2004
I'm quite beat now and for the unseen future. There is 40 days remaining to the one-year anniversary of this wiki so maybe try to get this mess fixed by then.
- The filling-in process has got stalled due to the need to outline the issues with sysop vandalism and such. However a benefit is that Consumerium now has the best description of what goes wrong on wiki sysop power structure, and is way ahead of Meatball and Meta-Wikipedia and most others in this regard.