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Is the [[usual happy NPOV talk]] the opposite of the NTPOV? | Is the [[usual happy NPOV talk]] the opposite of the NTPOV? | ||
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[[w:User:Timwi]] on the [[vile mailing list]] [http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2004-June/013763.html]: | |||
:''Any chance we can put this behind us and move forwards?'' | |||
:If we do that, it's going to happen again and again with more and more | |||
newbies. | |||
:We *must* find out why newbies react in certain ways. James is *by far* | |||
not the only newbie who seems to think we're violating our own policies, | |||
or applying double-standards (I'll just copy that wording without | |||
actually knowing what it means). There *must* be a reason why everyone | |||
thinks this, and if James is willing to help us discover this, we should | |||
listen. Once someone becomes a Real Wikipedian, they lose the Newbie's | |||
Perspective, and then it becomes easy to think that newbies are just | |||
dumb and stupid. | |||
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