Talk:Sysops are trolls: Difference between revisions
yes this matters
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I have to say that I don't see any sense in this article, but otoh who'd expect something to make sense in these times. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 21:15, 25 Jan 2005 (EET) | I have to say that I don't see any sense in this article, but otoh who'd expect something to make sense in these times. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 21:15, 25 Jan 2005 (EET) | ||
:First, stop censoring talk. It is rude. | |||
:Second, there is MUCH dispute about "what is a troll" and "what are the rightful powers of a sysop". Notably [[Larry Sanger]] had a lot to say on this just recently. And [[w:Wikipedia:troll]] and [[w:Internet troll]] and so on, leave LOTS of doubt as to what the hell this word means. | |||
:As for the distinction: | |||
:It matters mostly because, if sysops are trolls, then it is not a requirement for trolls to avoid [[technological escalation]], and so, such [[trolls nest]] tactics as [[SOLLOG]] [[POV warrior]]s use at [[wikipediasucks.com]] are fair game. If sysops are not trolls, however, then the distinction between them ''must be'' this use of technology the other side doesn't have ([[vandalbot]], [[delete page]] and [[undelete page]]), and so true [[trolls]] would then be obligated not to use it, or else they'd drop to the moral level of sysops. The distinction is a moral one, mostly: Can trolls behave like sysops without becoming just as bad? | |||
:The distinction would clarify whether [[sysop vandalism]] is a subset of [[troll vandalism]], or if they are totally separate things that have a [[dialectic]] or tension with each other. If they have such tension, then sysops might be able to collaborate with trolls on some important issues like getting [[Consumerium governance]] properly defined. | |||