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the bad examples: Disinfopedia autocracy, Wikipedia echo chamber
(could people not wreck this wiki in the process of playing out how the other wikis are intended to be wrecked. or maybe it's necessary. whaddoiknow?) |
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Please don't start [[Consumerium:Conspiracy theories]], cause i'd surely have to spend a long time filling in the "[[142.177.X.X]] is actually an troll unidentity of one of the [[Wikipedia]] [[sysop]]s."-part. | Please don't start [[Consumerium:Conspiracy theories]], cause i'd surely have to spend a long time filling in the "[[142.177.X.X]] is actually an troll unidentity of one of the [[Wikipedia]] [[sysop]]s."-part. | ||
::No comment on any motives of any troll. That is policy of all good trolls. We don't pretend to know each other's motivations, or care, we only defend each other on procedural grounds. To assume we are all of one mind or set of values is wrong. Our only values in common are those that guarantee that the planet and life itself gets a voice, through us. If Mother Earth were to edit a wiki she would surely be contributing via an anonymous IP number, do you not think? | |||
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I have to recuperate for a little while more. Please don't flame this wiki totally over this "Right to Troll vs. Right to Delete non-sense offhandedly"-thing. <- That of course pisses you both off. heh. We have to balance in between anarchy and oligarchy (autocracy is out of question, like i don't wanna be it and neither do you, mmkay?), that's been apparent for a long time but how? Now that is a qustion. | I have to recuperate for a little while more. Please don't flame this wiki totally over this "Right to Troll vs. Right to Delete non-sense offhandedly"-thing. <- That of course pisses you both off. heh. We have to balance in between anarchy and oligarchy (autocracy is out of question, like i don't wanna be it and neither do you, mmkay?), that's been apparent for a long time but how? Now that is a qustion. | ||
::Yes, it is apparent. What is also apparent is that both [[Wikipedia]] and [[Disinfopedia]] provide the worst possible examples of autocracy justifying oligarchy. Neither example can be followed to actually achieve "the truth" - it appears quite likely that Disinfopedia will just become a Democratic Party propaganda machine, while Wikipedia seems to now be a Republican Party or at least [[military industrial complex]] propaganda machine. Both of these ought now to be called [[enemy projects]] and not [[essential projects]]. There was a chance to fix them in 2003. They were not fixed. Now it is time to work on [[democratize or destroy]] efforts there. But there can be a truce line drawn and Consumerium can become the project where all the wiser "refugees" come to, drastically expanding participation, if you are careful to recruit those who see the way Disinfopedia and Wikipedia have gone wrong, and NOT those who have been MAKING Disinfopedia and Wikipedia go wrong. That is all up to you as the sysop. | |||
::The exclusion of Angela is however a pre-requisite for troll participation. Let her go over to [[Disinfopedia]] with her friends, where she (as a creator of propaganda and [[echo chamber]] participant) belongs. That is her style - the [[sysop power structure]] over there is simply autocratic, period, and that seems to be what she responds to. Do not try to change her into anything useful to this project - she isn't. | |||
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