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 It's been a "Link like hell day"... which is kinda silly since, we're a wiki, we don't need to link every other site linking to each other... we'll you know the phenomenon.
 CHECK OUT: http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/research/corp_critic.htm but remember to come back. Their database has info on 28.000 [[companies]] and their sources are good. They charge <500�/per annum for non-profits for "unlimited" access, with no rights to reproduce the data, but there is this clause in the legal stuff that says that we maybe could get a written agreement to incorporate their abundance of knowledge.
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 Hello your trollishness. Nice to see you are back because I was indeed in a need for a serious kick in the ass as the saying goes. I know I'm lazy so you needn't do that again mkay? How about helping out in figuring out how to govern the [[Content Wiki]] so that it retains a reasonable level of intergrity?
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 :::Quite so Tim Starling, now excuse me while I go and chase butterflies. Damn it, they're everywhere!!!! -- [[142.177.something.something]]
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+Listen here. If you hate [[Wikipedia]] and [[Wikimedia]] which recently arranged for 8, yes eight, new servers installed which has speeded up Wikipedia responisivity a lot, so much then you should:
+#start a [[Wikipedia]] [[fork]] of your own.
+::Sorry.  That won't create 100 mirrors in 100 languages.  Fact is, Wikipedia put itself at the centre of [[GFDL corpus]] and has used all kinds of bullying and technical tricks to stay there.  So it deserves what it gets.
+#persuade all the good editors that your fork is better by using these arguments that you spread around here daily
+:::But under [[GFDL]] you have the right to try, so '''try''' or stop complaining that the wrong people are running the most widely known "[[GFDL corpus access provider]]" --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 16:16, 9 Sep 2004 (EEST)
+::That won't change the bullying demands of [[Daniel Mayer]], will it?
+:::What are those in practice? Requiring a link back to [[Wikipedia]] for those [[mirror]]ing/duplicating/[[fork]]ing their [[content]] (ie. content donated to the [[GFDL coprus]] using their [[infrastructural capital|resources]]. I see that requirement to be fully in compliance with the spirit of GFDL since determining who are the five primary contributors for each article is entirely a subjective matter, thus link-back and letting the user view all contributors is the right way to go for the required attribution clause. You must realize that most of the contributors do not reveal their real names thus their identity only exists in the form of being a registered user of Wikipedia. De jure your argumentation is quite right that [[Wikimedia violates GFDL]] but for the sake of sanity why not settle the this is the right way to go in de facto sense even for material in [[Consumerium]]. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 16:16, 9 Sep 2004 (EEST)
+#Start a [[TrollMedia|foundation]] to support the [[hardware]] and [[bandwidth]] needs of your fork and make sure it's [[independent board]] consists of people who have no experience, involvement or clue of [[wiki governance]] issues or even what is a wiki or yet even better get some chimps that have never even seen a computer sow you can be certain that you have "an independent board"
+::Doesn't take any of this experience to see [[tabloid journalism]] for what it is.
+:::I don't quite follow you. Are you claiming that [[Wikipedia]] is tabloid journalism?
+#Code something yourself for once (preferably the worlds best and most scalable [[wiki code]] and give exellent technical support for it) instead of complaining about other people not being clairvoyant and slavishly coding anything and everything you want to be coded
+::Why bother when code costs only $5/day to Russia or Kazakhstan?  These people who you think deserve respect are nowhere near as good as those who spam for code gigs on the net.  Coders are disposable.
+:::So use your own cash if you don't have time and stamina to code yourself and hire some of those to implement the [[features]] we need. Especially automatic aggregation of information requires custom code. Or stop whining and dissing those who donate their time and skills to enabling us to use this wonderful wiki software. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 16:16, 9 Sep 2004 (EEST)
+#Use the money raised by your foundation to buy google adwords campaign on words [[Wikipedia]], [[Wikimedia]], [[Sysop vandal]] and [[Wikimedia corruption]]
+::Ah, so it's about the google count is it?  Well then Bomis must have some interest.  Maybe it wants to SELL those ad words and doesn't like competition?
+:::No. I meant that people who have heard of [[Wikipedia]] might use a search engine to find it and you could get an ad of your fork to show. "Join us instead of those corrupt wikipedians."
+#Buy [[Fox news]] with the leftover cash and convert it into your private [[propaganda]] instrument
+::Violence is a more efficient way to deal with Fox News than any transaction.
+:::Violence is never a good solution how ever straightforward it may be in comparison to more peaceful approaches to dealing with what ever pisses you off. You being apparently an intelligent troll would understand that the [[PC]] folk and others who are easily frightened would likely see your above comment as an threat to Fox News or it's staff. IANAL but that imho constitutes an illegal threat so '''please remove it and appologise.''' --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 16:16, 9 Sep 2004 (EEST)
+#Sue everyone else for [[libel]]ling you and retain that you don't do [[libel chill]]
+::Libel chill is only called that when the commentary in question is not libel by legal definitions.  Since [[Wikimedia]] publishes real verifiable libel by definitions in use in every [[w:legal code]] in the world, telling them to stop is not libel chill.
+:::Could you for once provide evidence for your overtly theatrical claims? --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 16:16, 9 Sep 2004 (EEST)
+#Have a [[Kit-Kat McFlurry]]
+::Thanks!  I think I will... mmmmmmm......
+:::Pls. behave better. Your actions are very much distracting me from focusing on the real pragmatic issues that need to be solved for us to advance and propably you are annouying lot's of other users. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 16:16, 9 Sep 2004 (EEST)
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+===October 27 2005===
+pls take a look at [[Talk:Develop:namespace]]
+From what I recall we always screw up a lot of things when we edit consumerium at the same time with intensity. usually what results is that (at least I don't) we don't really remember what was the "end state" of some issue we so urgently needed to write about
+:OK, agreed, why not focus on [[Talk:Fund Consumerium]] and let things be driven by that, for now?  We have been technology driven long enough, time to start telling [[fair trade]] people what we are doing and want to do next, and, picking a nice [[FAQ]] selection for them to read.
+Hey. Do check out http://www.tiddlywiki.com It's a complete wiki in one [[HTML]] file with the internal logic, GUI logic and logic for saving the file in JavaScript. It termes itself as "a reusable non-linear personal web notebook". The non-linearity part is just what we need, since the pages that are [[publish]]ed to the consumer, must be arranged according to their [[preference]]s (ie. to include the information they are interested in, in the order they want it and to filter out information they don't want to see). I've been testing TiddlyWiki for some time now (I use it to make lecture and reading notes) and I think it'd rock if it would have sync facilities. There are a dozens of modifications of it floating around so maybe there is one somewhere that would sync with a public wiki the public parts of the personal wiki. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 18:54, 27 Aug 2005 (GMT)
+:Maybe.  No one said that [[Publish:namespace]] had to be edited via [[mediawiki]], it may be far better to use [[tikiwiki]] or [[tiddlywiki]] since these have better mechanisms to control output.
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+You've created 7 articles with the pseudo-namespace of "Develop" or talk-pages about articles in the pseudo-namespace. Pls. stop doing this for a while. Every such article has to be moved out of the way in order to change the project-namespace to "Develop:" instead of "Consudev".
+:OK, sorry, fair enough.  Was trying to see whether [[Develop:namespace]] really was hard to explain or track.  Will stop doing this for a while until [[talk:namespace]] and [[talk:categories]] is more settled.  Perhaps this needs to be thought about for a while, like a week, before anything more is done.  Many new options, e.g. [[tiddlywiki]], and many new issues, like the need for Consumerium to [[research:itself]] and [[publish:itself]], and the reasons why [[publish:namespace]] might NOT be a [[large public wiki]] but a much more restricted staging thing for only a very few trusted users, all need to be discussed.  And whether [[link to this page]] is really obsoleted by the [[categories]] and how much to expect a [[wikitext standard]].  Basically a lot of stuff.
+Having the project-namespace be "Develop" does have theoretical consistency, but in practice it just messes up the mental image of the distinction between Develop and other articles. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 19:47, 27 Aug 2005 (GMT)
+:There is an argument to eliminate the [[Research:namespace]] and have that be the main namespace, but, that is contrary to existing practice where in fact everything has been in [[main namespace]] which was acting as [[Develop:namespace]].
+:Not sure how it "messes up the mental image of the distinction between Develop and other articles", though it might make [[Consumerium:Copyrights]] more difficult to understand.
+:Maybe a namespace more generic than "[[Consumerium:]] and more specific than "[[Develop:]]" needs to exist?  Something that indicates the whole [[healthy signal infrastructure]]?  Is there a single verb that describes what the development is doing?  There is actually an argument that the develop wiki should be called signal wiki since it is conveying the [[Consumerium buying signal]], whatever that is, and doing nothing else.
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+slow down or stop for a moment. keeping any track and sense of what you're getting at gets terribly difficult after I fall of the 30-article threshold in the RC and I have to eat and watch the news now
+:OK.  move all the serious content here to [[Talk:namespace]] if we must continue this.
+:But there's probably some major design decisions to make, so don't hurry them.
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+Welcome back [[142.177.X.X]]. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 17:24, 25 September 2006 (GMT)