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'''Identity dispute''' arises when '''claimed identity cannot be verified''' ie. that someone is who they are claiming to be '''or''' when anonymous users (anonymous users may in fact be [[trolls]] that frequent the media in question) that '''refuse to take an identity''' thus existing (or perhaps non-existing) in the [[social club]] as non-persons or using [[pseudonyms]] | '''Identity dispute''' arises when '''claimed identity cannot be verified''' ie. that someone is who they are claiming to be '''or''' when anonymous users (anonymous users may in fact be [[trolls]] that frequent the media in question) that '''refuse to take an identity''' thus existing (or perhaps non-existing) in the [[social club]] as non-persons or using [[pseudonyms]] | ||
==Troll point of view== | |||
This can be seen as a subset of a [[political dispute]] in that a political dispute may involve accusations of real or manufactured identity disputes as a form of political battle | This can be seen as a subset of a [[political dispute]] in that a political dispute may involve accusations of real or manufactured identity disputes as a form of political battle | ||
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This is one of many reasons why [[trolls]] advocate ''foment ambiguity'' and not [[use real names]], particularly if ''constant pseudonyms are allowed''. | This is one of many reasons why [[trolls]] advocate ''foment ambiguity'' and not [[use real names]], particularly if ''constant pseudonyms are allowed''. | ||
See [[conceptual metaphor]] for the "green" and [[God's Eye View]] for the "grey" way to settle such debates. The latter leads to trust in one [[GodKing]]. The former may lead to a greater role for [[trolls]]. There are reasons to avoid either extreme. | |||
==Non-troll point of view== | |||
Probably the most realistic view is that identity and other politics disputes are inevitable and normal and part of language and linguistic relationships, but they have to be contained using some methods such as '''different levels of identification''' ranging from [[anonymous]] users to normal users to verified users. | |||
It is not good to let trolls totally escape all accountability and it is also not good to let [[outing|outing problems]] determine who participates in the [[Wikis]] | |||
Revision as of 15:40, 8 March 2004
Identity dispute arises when claimed identity cannot be verified ie. that someone is who they are claiming to be or when anonymous users (anonymous users may in fact be trolls that frequent the media in question) that refuse to take an identity thus existing (or perhaps non-existing) in the social club as non-persons or using pseudonyms
Troll point of view
This can be seen as a subset of a political dispute in that a political dispute may involve accusations of real or manufactured identity disputes as a form of political battle
Some trolls claim that some ideologies claim that identity and politics itself are just forms of neutrality dispute.
Trolls consider the whole concept of identity dispute stupid, and it is the reason for the many problems of such projects as Wikipedia, which accept and promote such ideologies, and attract believers in them, who eventually degrade and destroy the capacity of the project itself to deal with political dispute, and promote noxious personalities.
Trolls promote the political virtues instead, and reject identity that is not factionally defined.
Failing to recognize the concept of an identity dispute leads directly to sysop vandalism as reverts occur simply because of what sysops believe or suspect about identity.
This is one of many reasons why trolls advocate foment ambiguity and not use real names, particularly if constant pseudonyms are allowed.
See conceptual metaphor for the "green" and God's Eye View for the "grey" way to settle such debates. The latter leads to trust in one GodKing. The former may lead to a greater role for trolls. There are reasons to avoid either extreme.
Non-troll point of view
Probably the most realistic view is that identity and other politics disputes are inevitable and normal and part of language and linguistic relationships, but they have to be contained using some methods such as different levels of identification ranging from anonymous users to normal users to verified users.
It is not good to let trolls totally escape all accountability and it is also not good to let outing problems determine who participates in the Wikis