User talk:142.177.77.57

Helo 142.177.X.X, perhaps you might like to get an account here. Thanks for your great input to wikipedia, I just diffed through your work and it's very good.

Here Greenpeace fanatics are not distinguishing products harmful to Great Apes and presenting that information instantly via UPC codes contrary to what 142.177.X.X originally stated, but it's an very interesting rambling conversation otherwise.

Exact quote from above reads "any ecologically

      destructive product could be identified
      on a store shelf or a friend's refrigerator
      or whatever. Bar code readers are down
      to a small size these days and can be
      worn just like a ring! 

      Imagine the impact if a woman goes on
      a date to a guy's apartment, runs her
      innocuous-looking ring past his
      groceries, and then leaves early saying
      "Sorry man but you're just too ignorant
      to date - half the stuff on your shelf is
      killing people and the other half is
      killing Great Apes. Later." 

A bar code reader reads UPC or EAN codes, the ring-size reader can be run on anything in the cupboards or shelf, and clearly the woman is leaving because of this information. So this is exactly what I said.

UPC is a little USA-centric. GTIN is much more universal (it includes both UPC and EAN spaces, which covers a big part of the worlds buying power)

OK, GTIN it is then from now on.

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Thanks. There is actually very good background on wikipedia about this issue. But also there is good background on Greenpeace, including a link you removed from 'features' that describes *exactly* how to use a system just like this one (consumerium), very effectively. Also cross-participation with NGO boards is important. So you could put it as a reference, but I don't agree that link is unnecessary, and I also think that coordination with w:bushmeat campaigns to prevent w:ape genocide is probably the single greatest place this project could have impact:

Well I read the discussion again and really doesn't belong in the features page. Context and content is not what the description you wrote described. Get a user page and put it there. It's got some interesting "between the lines" points though

Did it not explain exactly how such a consumer agent would work and how someone would act on this information? Those are features. Or better, "benefits". It seemed even more dead on than the abstract wikipedia articles which did not have the 'punch'.

Because apes are just like us, emotionally, but not rivals to us, if we won't save them, we sure won't save each other, and we better get on with being extinct. So a project that doesn't do this first, probably isn't worth doing.

And, I didn't change my mind about this. Projects to redirect purchasing dollars either start with these high-empathy just-like-us w:hominids, or they start somewhere less efficient. You must focus this project better I think, even to get the XML right. Otherwise there are no priorities to guide development, recruiting, etc.. And, if humans won't do what is efficient, they are doing only their own agenda, and that is just like being a locust. Or a troll.  ;-)