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 ::There are MANY advocates of that at Wikipedia, but, they are drowned out by the Angelas.  Perhaps she is not "the worst of them" since she talks about it, even to trolls it seems, but, she is certainly engaged in witch-hunts that may actually violate the GFDL, when combined with the various measures taken by the sysops and developers she influences.  Certainly trolls will work hard to make sure that everyone who, for instance, restricts access to source texts that were licensed under GFDL, pays a serious price for it in their "real lives"... is that "harassment"?  If so, it's harassment they have completely earned.  Which is what most people call "justice".
+However, that was not what you advocated earlier�
+:No, I change my mind every half an hour. Women's prerogative. ;)  It wasn't my first change of heart on the issue. I once fully defended [[w:user:BuddhaInside]]'s right to blank his talk page, and later argued strongly against that before he was banned. I also said RK had the right to remove criticisms from his talk page and that the [[w:User talk:172 sysop status|172 desysop page]] should be deleted, whilst later arguing that [[records are a good thing]] and the trail of RK's behaviour ought to be documented.
+But if you don't note that fact over at meta.wikipedia.org...
+:I copied the above to Meta at the same time I wrote it here, almost identically worded.
+Angela also advocated only revealing IP logs to developers in cases of "vandalism"
+:Have I actually said this? If so, I must have changed my mind. I advocate the revealing of IP logs in ''any'' circumstance where a dual identity is suspected.
+...advocates of a [[w:carceral state]] control the Wikipedia
+:I don't advocate such a thing though I can see why you might think I do.
+The issue between Angela and the trolls however is not personal...
+:Really?? Why do you keep bringing my name into it then? If it is about some "political issue", you ought to be addressing that rather than making random death threats to people you don't like. I see doing that as very much a personal issue. It's when you do this that people get defensive and therefore likely to resort to whatever means they have (deletions, IP bans etc) to stop that from occurring. You seem to be forgetting that before you turned this into a personal attack on me I was writing things like "All RK wants is for you to be banned...which is something I don't want to see" [http://en2.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:EntmootsOfTrolls&diff=1354065&oldid=1353919]. I don't see someone changing their opinion from not wanting someone banned to applying an IP block to that same person as a [[political dispute]]. Rather than continuing the rant about how I'm a member of the [[Wikipedia Liars Club]] or whatever, why not try to find some solution rather than just making it into something personal by saying [[Sysop vandalism|sysops are bad]], [[Enemy projects|Wikipedians are bad]] etc. They quite clearly aren't. The people you constantly list as the people you like are often sysops themselves. If it isn't a personal thing, refer to general principles you dislike rather than people. At [[Talk:Political dispute]] for example, surely I'm not the only person in the world to have done whatever it is you accuse me of doing, so why not write that in general terms? State that people who revert text for ad hominem reasons are wrong to do so. Don't just rant about one person. It's going to be pretty meaningless to people coming here who know nothing of Wikipedia to keep seeing this mysterious user:angela being mentioned all over the place!