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'''Identity dispute''' arises when '''claimed identity cannot be verified''' ie. that someone is who they are claiming to be '''or''' when anonymous users (anonymous users may in fact be [[trolls]] that frequent the media in question) that '''refuse to take an identity''' thus existing (or perhaps non-existing) in the [[social club]] as non-persons or using [[pseudonyms]]
'''Identity dispute''' arises when '''claimed identity cannot be verified''' ie. that someone is who they are claiming to be '''or''' when anonymous users (anonymous users may in fact be [[trolls]] that frequent the media in question) that '''refuse to take an identity''' thus existing (or perhaps non-existing) in the [[social club]] as non-persons or using [[pseudonyms]]
== heading it off ==
Collective and alleged and ambiguous identity are all problematic.  The first step is an [[interwiki identity standard]] so that those who seek to claim a name on several [[large public wiki]]s can do so quickly and unambiguously - this avoids much confusion.  As [[trolls]] enter, the second step is a way to place an [[IP number]] or [[login]] in a [[faction]], which it can move from to another faction, but may not totally defaction itself.  That way, signals can be sent to others that this IP number originates [[controversial edit]]s consistently, so it can be watched by those who think so.  It also makes the dispute a bit less personal and avoids [[repute]] debates and [[echo chamber]]s.  [[Funded troll]]s would likely require a third step involving some [[sysop power structure]] under supervision of [[Consumerium Governance Organization]].
See [[Noise vs. Signal]] for the different approach to take in each wiki - research needs a somewhat looser standard than the final published information that becomes the [[Consumerium buying signal]].


==Troll point of view==
==Troll point of view==
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Probably the most realistic view is that identity and other politics disputes are inevitable and normal and part of language and linguistic relationships, but they have to be contained using some methods such as '''different levels of identification''' ranging from [[anonymous]] users to normal users to verified users.
Probably the most realistic view is that identity and other politics disputes are inevitable and normal and part of language and linguistic relationships, but they have to be contained using some methods such as '''different levels of identification''' ranging from [[anonymous]] users to normal users to verified users.


It is not good to let trolls totally escape all accountability and it is also not good to let [[outing|outing problems]] determine who participates in the [[Wikis]]
It is not good to let trolls totally escape all accountability and it is also not good to let [[outing|outing problems]] determine who participates in the [[Wikis]]. A troll's anonymity is approximately equal to a random stranger on the street, and a troll's risk of [[w:immediate pursuit|immediate pursuit]] is similar also: there may be valid reasons to believe that edits under one [[IP address]] made to several [[large public wiki]]s in short succession are the same person, (e.g. to this page but also to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Immediate_pursuit&action=history the Wikipedia page on immediate pursuit]); temporary actions might be taken on the basis of such conclusions.  However, those with lasting impact on anyone's [[repute]] would be extremely unwise to undertake on such shallow evidence. This is quite similar to assumptions made on the basis of reports that "the suspect was a black male 25-35" or other profiling.
 
It could however be a deliberate [[alleged and collective identity]] tactic to trick [[sysop power structure]] into doing something very foolish.
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