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#What does disposition mean? especially in the context of capital | #What does disposition mean? especially in the context of capital | ||
##It means how you use what you have, and how it grows or shrinks. | |||
#I don't see how [[w:capital(economics)]] can be expoited. Capital is [[invest]]ed not expoited and the idea is that when invested, capital produces [[Added value]] for the [[investor]]. | #I don't see how [[w:capital(economics)]] can be expoited. Capital is [[invest]]ed not expoited and the idea is that when invested, capital produces [[Added value]] for the [[investor]]. | ||
:In the process some people will propably get exploited in the sense of not getting a decent [[compensation]] for the [[work]] they've done compared to the [[added value]] they've produced to benefit the investor. | ##That is the capitalist idea. That is not the [[green]] or [[troll]] idea. To these, the goal is more [[natural capital]] and more [[individual capital]] and everything else is not alive so exploit it to hell. Does that make sense? You owe the "investor" a better life, not necessarily a higher amount of cash. This works for both "for-profit" and "not-for-profit" paradigms. If you disagree, trolls will bite you on the leg. That is how they defend the green point of view, and the [[funny garden]]. | ||
:In the process some people will propably get exploited in the sense of not getting a decent [[compensation]] for the [[work]] they've done compared to the [[added value]] they've produced to benefit the investor. | |||
::That is [[w:capitalism]], yes. Now, improve it by assuming that people are only exploited to make [[natural capital]] grow faster and better, and that is [http://natcap.org Natural Capitalism]. Now, improve it again by assuming that people's [[individual capital]] (unique talent) are not exploited but actually renewed, playfully, re-created by this re-recreation of [[natural capital]] (like, by [[w:gardening]] and such), and you have [[w:human development theory]] and the whole idea of [[w:capital (economics)]] in the modern sense. This is post-industrialism, which greens and trolls seek. | |||
:[[Globalization]] of the [[financing]] sector has led to a situation where investments tend to go to countries where the [[price]] of labor and [[tax]]ation are low, thus increasing the added value produced for the investor, which of course is exploitation in the Marxist sense. | :[[Globalization]] of the [[financing]] sector has led to a situation where investments tend to go to countries where the [[price]] of labor and [[tax]]ation are low, thus increasing the added value produced for the investor, which of course is exploitation in the Marxist sense. | ||
Anyway... If someone has an idea of how [[capital]] can be [[identified]] (this is a neccessary step to achieve the almost [[utopia]]n [[features|feature]] of actually [[tracking capital]], please put it in [[Identifying capital]] and do bear in mind that there is always the [[grey economy]] ([[tax dodging]], [[pension dodging]], [[falsely claimed subsidies]]...) and the [[dark economy]] (straight out illegal activities like [[human | ::Yes, and it will get us all killed if we keep thinking this way, because it is degrading [[w:value of life]]. Sooner or later those with low life prices come to suicide-bomb thse with high life prices, and then we need the new ways above. | ||
Anyway... If someone has an idea of how [[capital]] can be [[identified]] (this is a neccessary step to achieve the almost [[utopia]]n [[features|feature]] of actually [[tracking capital]], please put it in [[Identifying capital]] and do bear in mind that there is always the [[grey economy]] ([[tax dodging]], [[pension dodging]], [[falsely claimed subsidies]]...) and the [[dark economy]] (straight out illegal activities like [[human trafficking]], [[drug trafficking]], [[organ trafficking]], [[illegal arms trade]], [[bribery]], [[money laundering]] ...) which will slowly, but apparently inevitably (IMHO) make any [[accounting]] scheme more and more inconsistent with the reality of things. | |||
::It's quite hard to track [[financial capital]] and much easier to track [[natural capital]] (as [[ecoregion]]) and [[individual capital]] ([[identifying people]]), which opens up the issue of when it's valid to do this tracking - say to prevent [[asset stripping]]. See [[w:accounting reform]] for more on this. | |||
I'd really love it if we could tackle this "what is money, where does it go, who desides where it goes, what it does there and so forth..." swamp of questions. I don't believe we are going to achieve any concrete stuff in the field of [[tracing capital]] but it'd be a fun excercise. | I'd really love it if we could tackle this "what is money, where does it go, who desides where it goes, what it does there and so forth..." swamp of questions. I don't believe we are going to achieve any concrete stuff in the field of [[tracing capital]] but it'd be a fun excercise. | ||
::Money is deliberately designed to be hard to trace. It serves four functis, the combination of which makes it nearly impossible. But not all [[financial capital]] serves ALL FOUR functions, some of it serves only one or two of the, m and you can track its conversion into the other functions | |||