Talk:New Troll point of view: Difference between revisions

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I think Wikipedia sysops and MediaWiki developers are putting in considerable consideration into trying to form good practices and guidelines that keep the developer/sysop influence to the GFDL text corpus at tolerable levels. But, hey that's just me and I don't troll, I almost always use a username. --Juxo 22:33, 9 Mar 2004 (EET)

Using a username doesn't save you from being labelled "a troll". But anyway if you are, just wear it with pride, and advance the New Troll point of view as best you can. There is always going to be some resistance to it, and systemic bias doesn't go away just because of "trying". I don't know what "tolerable" levels of censorship by racists and fascists are, and I might trust you, Juxo, to say what they are, but I don't trust Mr. Wales to do so.

Is the usual happy NPOV talk the opposite of the NTPOV?

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 :Using a username doesn't save you from being labelled "a [[troll]]".  But anyway if you are, just wear it with pride, and advance the [[New Troll point of view]] as best you can.  There is always going to be some resistance to it, and [[systemic bias]] doesn't go away just because of "trying".  I don't know what "tolerable" levels of censorship by racists and fascists are, and I might trust you, Juxo, to say what they are, but I don't trust Mr. Wales to do so.
-:Look, there are obviously good people participating in bad systems (like the [[Wikipedia mailing list]]) or creating weak software (like [[mediawiki]]) to the best of their abilities.  But sometimes you have to just work with another group, a different technology, a different paradigm.  For two years Wales has resisted any attempt to put an [[independent board]] together.  He's created his own problems.
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 Is the [[usual happy NPOV talk]] the opposite of the NTPOV?