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Is the [[usual happy NPOV talk]] the opposite of the NTPOV? | Is the [[usual happy NPOV talk]] the opposite of the NTPOV? | ||
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[[w:User:Timwi]] on the [[vile mailing list]] [http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2004-June/013763.html]: | |||
:''Any chance we can put this behind us and move forwards?'' | |||
:If we do that, it's going to happen again and again with more and more newbies. | |||
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The essay is a very useful snapshot from a [[New Troll point of view|new troll]] who is obviously trolling us. Under [[soft security]] ideology he would be "harming the community" and it would be time for [[sysop vigilantiism]]. Thankfully here the established [[trolls]] should just troll back: "the best situation is where individuals can have bad reputations, but no one can ever have a good reputation." This is absolutely correct from the point of view of many established trolls. | |||
It's interesting to have this essay sit in [[New Troll point of view]] itself where it may attract maximum [[trolling]] attention from New Trolls trying to figure out what to do or disagree with (if they disagreed with nothing they'd not be [[trolls]], would they?). Initially the temptation is there to put links to [[troll-friendly]] and [[world tree]] and etc., but this shouldn't happen because that reinforces the "Old Troll point of view" over new ones. | |||
[[Trolls]] eat philosophy rather than preach it. There is no "Consumerium philosophy", certainly, but, there is an approach and a [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] perhaps to sanction a [[Lowest Troll]] to attempt that approach in the long run. It is really all about having NO philosophy and just choosing only the next best step to do least harm. | |||
But, some people do seem to need these [[ideology]] statements to get comfort with what is going on. This essay is a good start, and trolls will gnaw on it for a while in the dark. Then we will write something that totally disagrees. ;-) | |||
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This was not offensive but it's speculative and pointless. Obviously if one takes any mass of postings one will find "contradictions between", but if the [[trolls]] refuse to say "who is who" (as they do) then there is no way to respond and leaving this here is to [[require response to hearsay]]. It's fair comment but just not as good as ending the essay on the reference to Foucault! | |||
=== Notable individuals === | |||
[http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/index.php/142.177.X.X "142"] seems to be into this philosophy (although of course (s)he would dispute the characterization of 142 as an "individual"). | |||
Note however that [http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/index.php/142.177.X.X/Anti_Wikipedia_Rants some] of 142's positions contrast with the Consumerium pro-troll philosophy, as described above. (for example, 142 advocates excluding certain specific people from positions of power in Consumerium, which is in conflict with the community-shouldn't-exclude philosophy seen above). | |||
Perhaps the philosophy was misunderstood here; perhaps other people contributed the contradicting parts; perhaps 142 changed hir mind; or perhaps 142 does not have stable "positions", since 142 does not consider itself an individual. | |||
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This article needs a section on how [[NTPOV]] helps identity and limit [[wiki spam]], e.g. mention of [[Bomis]]. | |||