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:Yes, we might also differentiate between ordinary trolling, [[heroic trolling]] and truly [[magnificent trolling]]! Trolls must have a hierarchy since there is a [[Lowest Troll]]!

[[w:User:Mark Richards]]'s [http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2004-June/013572.html sarcastic comments] on the [[technological escalation]] by the Chinese government against [[Wikipedia]].

:"I presume that it was blocked for 'trolling'. - Mark"

:Why yes of course. And perhaps Wikipedia in Chinese is even somewhat [[heroic trolling]], given that it allows wider opinions than the Chinese media do. But maybe they block Wikipedia because Wikipedia does not respect [[w:User:Plato/red_faction|its own red faction]] or offer them a chance to displace Bomis, as they should. As surely as the Communists displaced the Nationalists in China, the wikipedia red faction will replace the [[usurper]]s of Bomis and end their [[Wikimedia corruption]].

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''[http://www.io.com/~zikzak/troll_thesis.html Trolls: A Social Movement]'' claims that in 1999 the number of "active" trolls (defined as someone who starts or contributes to a troll more than 5 times a week, and engages in trolling not less than 3 hours per week) at any one time is estimated to be between 3000 and 5000 people, with the statistical sample size being representative of approximately 0.88% of the group. The number of people who engage in [[sporadic trolling]] is estimated at approximately 100 times the number of "active" trolls.

Five years later, and with [[Wikimedia corruption]] and other [[troll-formative injustice]] going on, that number has to be much higher.

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From Sydney Indymedia [http://sydney.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=45765&group=webcast]:

=== how to become a Wikiactivist ===

''' Wikipedia for social change '''

'''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikipedia], the free online encyclopaedia, is a great favourite of mine, and I have been visiting it and using it since not long after its inauguration.'''

Wikipedia began in a conversation between two old Internet friends, [[w:Larry Sanger]], editor-in-chief of [[w:Nupedia]], and Ben Kovitz, a computer programmer, on January 2, 2001. The idea was to have an encyclopaedia that was not only free to users, but which could actually be created by the general community. It might even be said that it is a very good example of anarchism at work.

When I first found Wikipedia there weren't a lot of articles but it has grown fantastically so that today there are more than 340,000 articles. It is a true Internet success story and a credit to the vision of its founders.

'''Planting [[w:meme]]s and pulling up weeds at Wikipedia'''

Wikipedia affords a great opportunity for people with progressive ideas and a commitment to justice, peace and our natural environment to influence ideas. Anyone may initiate and edit articles, or add input to the 'Discussion' section at the head of each and every Wikipedia article. Ideas that you plant, and the rooting out of falsehoods and reactionary ideas, can influence the course of events and people's thinking in many ways.

Here are a few suggestions, just off the top of my head:

:Start articles on people who have made a difference, such as activists and writers. There are already articles on movie celebrities and sports people, so let's up the ante with more inspiring people like R Buckminster Fuller, EF Schumacher, Petra Kelly, Jane Addams and Mahatma Gandhi. Together we can change the concept of celebrity;

:You can bring some brain-food to articles that reveal the author's lack of thinking about what's important. For example, an article like '[[w:F/A-22 Raptor]]' really needs a section that is critical of expensive death machines, and discussion about what this machinery does, i.e., kills men, women and children. There are obviously a lot of fairly unconscious people posting stuff without a view to the bigger picture, so take your monkeywrench to any article and fix it. There might be specific information you can bring to an article from your own reading, or you can search for info elsewhere. Most things have a political context and if no one points it out, Wikipedia users will be the poorer for it. Remember, if nothing changes, nothing changes;

The beauty of this is that it won't cost you a penny and you might influence thousands of people over the years. Think of all the schoolteachers and schoolkids who might get a much-needed alternative view because you took the time to assert good values where none previously existed. True, someone might edit your editing, but it's very democratic and even slightly progressive at Wikipedia, and you won't find yourself alone.

'''Have fun being a Wikiactivist!'''

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 :Yes, we might also differentiate between ordinary trolling, [[heroic trolling]] and truly [[magnificent trolling]]!  Trolls must have a hierarchy since there is a [[Lowest Troll]]!
+[[w:User:Mark Richards]]'s [http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2004-June/013572.html sarcastic comments] on the [[technological escalation]] by the Chinese government against [[Wikipedia]].
+:"I presume that it was blocked for 'trolling'. - Mark"
+:Why yes of course.  And perhaps Wikipedia in Chinese is even somewhat [[heroic trolling]], given that it allows wider opinions than the Chinese media do.  But maybe they block Wikipedia because Wikipedia does not respect [[w:User:Plato/red_faction|its own red faction]] or offer them a chance to displace Bomis, as they should.  As surely as the Communists displaced the Nationalists in China, the wikipedia red faction will replace the [[usurper]]s of Bomis and end their [[Wikimedia corruption]].
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+''[http://www.io.com/~zikzak/troll_thesis.html Trolls: A Social Movement]'' claims that in 1999 the number of "active" trolls (defined as someone who starts or contributes to a troll more than 5 times a week, and engages in trolling not less than 3 hours per week) at any one time is estimated to be between 3000 and 5000 people, with the statistical sample size being representative of approximately 0.88% of the group. The number of people who engage in [[sporadic trolling]] is estimated at approximately 100 times the number of "active" trolls.
+Five years later, and with [[Wikimedia corruption]] and other [[troll-formative injustice]] going on, that number has to be much higher.
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+From Sydney Indymedia [http://sydney.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=45765&group=webcast]:
+=== how to become a Wikiactivist ===
+''' Wikipedia for social change '''
+'''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikipedia], the free online encyclopaedia, is a great favourite of mine, and I have been visiting it and using it since not long after its inauguration.'''
+Wikipedia began in a conversation between two old Internet friends, [[w:Larry Sanger]], editor-in-chief of [[w:Nupedia]], and Ben Kovitz, a computer programmer, on January 2, 2001. The idea was to have an encyclopaedia that was not only free to users, but which could actually be created by the general community. It might even be said that it is a very good example of anarchism at work.
+When I first found Wikipedia there weren't a lot of articles but it has grown fantastically so that today there are more than 340,000 articles. It is a true Internet success story and a credit to the vision of its founders.
+'''Planting [[w:meme]]s and pulling up weeds at Wikipedia'''
+Wikipedia affords a great opportunity for people with progressive ideas and a commitment to justice, peace and our natural environment to influence ideas. Anyone may initiate and edit articles, or add input to the 'Discussion' section at the head of each and every Wikipedia article. Ideas that you plant, and the rooting out of falsehoods and reactionary ideas, can influence the course of events and people's thinking in many ways.
+Here are a few suggestions, just off the top of my head:
+:Start articles on people who have made a difference, such as activists and writers. There are already articles on movie celebrities and sports people, so let's up the ante with more inspiring people like R Buckminster Fuller, EF Schumacher, Petra Kelly, Jane Addams and Mahatma Gandhi. Together we can change the concept of celebrity;
+:You can bring some brain-food to articles that reveal the author's lack of thinking about what's important. For example, an article like '[[w:F/A-22 Raptor]]' really needs a section that is critical of expensive death machines, and discussion about what this machinery does, i.e., kills men, women and children. There are obviously a lot of fairly unconscious people posting stuff without a view to the bigger picture, so take your monkeywrench to any article and fix it. There might be specific information you can bring to an article from your own reading, or you can search for info elsewhere. Most things have a political context and if no one points it out, Wikipedia users will be the poorer for it. Remember, if nothing changes, nothing changes;
+The beauty of this is that it won't cost you a penny and you might influence thousands of people over the years. Think of all the schoolteachers and schoolkids who might get a much-needed alternative view because you took the time to assert good values where none previously existed. True, someone might edit your editing, but it's very democratic and even slightly progressive at Wikipedia, and you won't find yourself alone.
+'''Have fun being a Wikiactivist!'''