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31.05.2005

[[MediaWiki]] has yet another feature to customise the software for all mediawiki users.[[m:Writing a new special page]]

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29.05.2005

===Grouping services geographically===

I've been thinking about the [[Language vs. Area]] problemacy. I've been plotting a plan in my head that certain [[companies]] and [[product]]s they offer should be arranged by location ie.

<pre>

[[FI/Tampere/SomeTex-MexRestaurant]]

[[US/California/Santa Cruz/SomeBikeRepairShop]]

[[CA/Ontario/Toronto/China Town/SpicccyChineseRestaurant]]

</pre>

Thinking how this is not a workable arrangement for transnational [[corporation]]s to pinpoint them to their HQ...

...but then something almost magical happened... I remembered something that I've been taught in school: '''There are [[Good]]s (tanglible) and [[Service]]s (intanglible)''', both of these are [[product]]s (This is how it is in the course books). The distinction between a service and a good is sometimes difficult to make. This is covered well in the [[w:Service]] article.

An example (far fetched):

:-[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] goes to the [[store]] to buy bread. Is the store selling me a bread or is it selling me a services (sourcing, logistics, storage and other activities that enable me to consume the service leaving the store knowoing that I won't go hungry for a while now)?

Some people argue strongly that all transactions should be viewed as services. See [[w:Service economy]] and/or [[Service economy]] on this view point.

I'm currently thinking that companies selling services should be arranged into a tree-like structure so that the [[companies]] provoding [[service]]s would be close to each other in the article hierarchy. And, yes, I know how bad this solution is for performance (I can actually read and write [[w:SQL|SQL]] (!)... after all [[MediaWiki]] is developed for [[Wikipedia]] where the common wiki-way is to avoid sub-articles so it's not at all optimised to traverse up and down subarticle-trees.

===Article validation coming to 1.5===

[[m:Article validation|Article validation is a hot topic on meta today]] as [[m:User:Magnus Manske]] has once again implemented this feature as described in [[m:Article validation feature]] this time it seems to be integrated into [[MediaWiki]] in 1.5 tree and '''you can try it out [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Main_Page here].'''

This new feature is likely the tool we are going to use to decide what gets published as facts and what doesn't.

Those of you who have been with us for a while may remember when we decided that [[Simple model for expressing opinions|articles about the real world get published when the "default signer" signs a version]] of an article thus the dreaded [[sysop]] doesn't get to make (or have the misery of having to decide) the decision of what goes and what doesn't.

The problem of whose responsibility it is to make these kinds of decisions doesn't evaporate away because someone has to '''decide''' who are the '''decision makers''' in each case.

===Past, Present and a little Future===

This wiki has been online for [[Timeline of Consumerium|over 2 years]] and a lot of new [[MediaWiki modifications|new features]] have since been added to [[MediaWiki]].. heck it used to be called "Wikipedia phase III" when I first installed this versatile and user-friendly wiki. Categorizing many pages here like [[Links]] and [[ISMs]] for example doesn't seem to be of much use since these have already been collected into article-lists. On the other hand we have over 1000 articles and we are in need of unification ie. '''nail down what do we want [[consumerium]] to do and focus on how to get it done in real life.'''

We have to decide what do we want consumerium to do and how to get there without stalling at the starting gates due to lack of coverage/information or misguided by [[misinformation]] and [[w:disinformation]], lead astray by [[sock puppet]]s, [[paid troll]]s and the [[creatures of the deep]].

Soon I will define and publish the minimum feature set (of the often far flung [[features]]) which

#Catch the ethos of consumerium

#Allow editing work done locally and globally

#Involve and internetwork [[Consumer]]s, [[w:List of professions|Worker]]s and [[Capitalist]]s in all 3*2*1 = 6 ways (or as close as one can get to that)

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26.05.2005

I've got my thinking cap on and I think I'll get a plan for moving to implementation phase soon. Please be patient. I remember when I started this project I was thinking of 10-15 years to implementation... of this only little over 3 years have lapsed. Also emergence of interesting technologies such as [[NFC]] and cell phone manufacturers coming out with phones with [[w:WLAN|WLAN]] and [[Bluetooth]] has leaped forward.

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22.05.2005

I've been thinking about the non-wikiness and extra hassle that comes if we try to get this thing working using three wikis:

*[[Develop Wiki|this one (Develop Wiki)]]

*[[Research Wiki]]

*[[Publish Wiki]]

Inevitably that would lead to inconsistencies, wasted working hours and frustration.

I think that it would make sense to drop the [[Publish Wiki|third wiki]] and replace that with non-editable html. I'm not using the word static, because an article or more likely a set of articles from [[Research Wiki]] will be merged for publication. This stage would allow the [[Preferences]] (that have been at the heart of the whole concept of [[Consumerium]] right from the start) to be implemented.

I asked around at #mediawiki on http://freenode.net about [[wiki]] -> [[html]] conversion since there are hundreds of sites serving [[Wikipedia]] content as static html I thought that either all those sites invented the wheel for themselves or there is a freely available tool, and there is one developed within [[mediawiki]] development [http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wikipedia/phase3/maintenance/dumpHTML.inc?rev=1.3&view=markup here is the .inc file] and [http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wikipedia/phase3/maintenance/dumpHTML.php?rev=1.1&view=markup here is the .php file] (from the 1.5 alpha tree)

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'''The [[Language vs. Area]] question on what basis is used to arrange - ie. store and retirieve information - most efficiently organise the information''' still remains a major blockade stopping us from going on into implemenatation phase.

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There are (imho) two approaches to making [[Consumerium services]] and [[features]] to work:

#'''Pro-Determinism''': machine-friendly: heavy use of [[Special:Categories|categories]], heavy use of [[namespaces]], Using strictly the same terminology as a business operative would eg. [[Company]], [[Brand]] and [[Product]] namespaces

#'''Emergent''': Laid back, more wikilike. Let's just see if we can make minimum set of rules of what goes where and how will strange attractors or other "order from chaos" emerge.

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21.05.2005

Today I got the [[Consumerium spam blacklist]] configured and working. I'm not protecting it for now. Please if you notice new clear cut [[wiki spam]] cases, add them to the list and blank the page untill a sysop shows up to delete the pages.

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17.05.2005

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+.05.2005
+[[MediaWiki]] has yet another feature to customise the software for all mediawiki users.[[m:Writing a new special page]]
+----
+.05.2005
+===Grouping services geographically===
+I've been thinking about the [[Language vs. Area]] problemacy. I've been plotting a plan in my head that certain [[companies]] and [[product]]s they offer should be arranged by location ie.
+<pre>
+[[FI/Tampere/SomeTex-MexRestaurant]]
+[[US/California/Santa Cruz/SomeBikeRepairShop]]
+[[CA/Ontario/Toronto/China Town/SpicccyChineseRestaurant]]
+</pre>
+Thinking how this is not a workable arrangement for transnational [[corporation]]s to pinpoint them to their HQ...
+...but then something almost magical happened... I remembered something that I've been taught in school: '''There are [[Good]]s (tanglible) and [[Service]]s (intanglible)''', both of these are [[product]]s (This is how it is in the course books). The distinction between a service and a good is sometimes difficult to make. This is covered well in the [[w:Service]] article.
+An example (far fetched):
+:-[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] goes to the [[store]] to buy bread. Is the store selling me a bread or is it selling me a services (sourcing, logistics, storage and other activities that enable me to consume the service leaving the store knowoing that I won't go hungry for a while now)?
+Some people argue strongly that all transactions should be viewed as services. See [[w:Service economy]] and/or [[Service economy]] on this view point.
+I'm currently thinking that companies selling services should be arranged into a tree-like structure so that the [[companies]] provoding [[service]]s would be close to each other in the article hierarchy. And, yes, I know how bad this solution is for performance (I can actually read and write [[w:SQL|SQL]] (!)... after all [[MediaWiki]] is developed for [[Wikipedia]] where the common wiki-way is to avoid sub-articles so it's not at all optimised to traverse up and down subarticle-trees.
+===Article validation coming to 1.5===
+[[m:Article validation|Article validation is a hot topic on meta today]] as [[m:User:Magnus Manske]] has once again implemented this feature as described in [[m:Article validation feature]] this time it seems to be integrated into [[MediaWiki]] in 1.5 tree and '''you can try it out [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Main_Page here].'''
+This new feature is likely the tool we are going to use to decide what gets published as facts and what doesn't.
+Those of you who have been with us for a while may remember when we decided that [[Simple model for expressing opinions|articles about the real world get published when the "default signer" signs a version]] of an article thus the dreaded [[sysop]] doesn't get to make (or have the misery of having to decide) the decision of what goes and what doesn't.
+The problem of whose responsibility it is to make these kinds of decisions doesn't evaporate away because someone has to '''decide''' who are the '''decision makers''' in each case.
+===Past, Present and a little Future===
+This wiki has been online for [[Timeline of Consumerium|over 2 years]] and a lot of new [[MediaWiki modifications|new features]] have since been added to [[MediaWiki]].. heck it used to be called "Wikipedia phase III" when I first installed this versatile and user-friendly wiki. Categorizing many pages here like [[Links]] and [[ISMs]] for example doesn't seem to be of much use since these have already been collected into article-lists. On the other hand we have over 1000 articles and we are in need of unification ie. '''nail down what do we want [[consumerium]] to do and focus on how to get it done in real life.'''
+We have to decide what do we want consumerium to do and how to get there without stalling at the starting gates due to lack of coverage/information or misguided by [[misinformation]] and [[w:disinformation]], lead astray by [[sock puppet]]s, [[paid troll]]s and the [[creatures of the deep]].
+Soon I will define and publish the minimum feature set (of the often far flung [[features]]) which
+#Catch the ethos of consumerium
+#Allow editing work done locally and globally
+#Involve and internetwork [[Consumer]]s, [[w:List of professions|Worker]]s and [[Capitalist]]s in all 3*2*1 = 6 ways (or as close as one can get to that)
+----
+.05.2005
+I've got my thinking cap on and I think I'll get a plan for moving to implementation phase soon. Please be patient. I remember when I started this project I was thinking of 10-15 years to implementation... of this only little over 3 years have lapsed. Also emergence of interesting technologies such as [[NFC]] and cell phone manufacturers coming out with phones with [[w:WLAN|WLAN]] and [[Bluetooth]] has leaped forward.
+----
+.05.2005
+I've been thinking about the non-wikiness and extra hassle that comes if we try to get this thing working using three wikis:
+*[[Develop Wiki|this one (Develop Wiki)]]
+*[[Research Wiki]]
+*[[Publish Wiki]]
+Inevitably that would lead to inconsistencies, wasted working hours and frustration.
+I think that it would make sense to drop the [[Publish Wiki|third wiki]] and replace that with non-editable html. I'm not using the word static, because an article or more likely a set of articles from [[Research Wiki]] will be merged for publication. This stage would allow the [[Preferences]] (that have been at the heart of the whole concept of [[Consumerium]] right from the start) to be implemented.
+I asked around at #mediawiki on http://freenode.net about [[wiki]] -> [[html]] conversion since there are hundreds of sites serving [[Wikipedia]] content as static html I thought that either all those sites invented the wheel for themselves or there is a freely available tool, and there is one developed within [[mediawiki]] development [http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wikipedia/phase3/maintenance/dumpHTML.inc?rev=1.3&view=markup here is the .inc file] and [http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wikipedia/phase3/maintenance/dumpHTML.php?rev=1.1&view=markup here is the .php file] (from the 1.5 alpha tree)
+----
+'''The [[Language vs. Area]] question on what basis is used to arrange - ie. store and retirieve information - most efficiently organise the information''' still remains a major blockade stopping us from going on into implemenatation phase.
+----
+There are (imho) two approaches to making [[Consumerium services]] and [[features]] to work:
+#'''Pro-Determinism''': machine-friendly: heavy use of [[Special:Categories|categories]], heavy use of [[namespaces]], Using strictly the same terminology as a business operative would eg. [[Company]], [[Brand]] and [[Product]] namespaces
+#'''Emergent''': Laid back, more wikilike. Let's just see if we can make minimum set of rules of what goes where and how will strange attractors or other "order from chaos" emerge.
+----
+.05.2005
+Today I got the [[Consumerium spam blacklist]] configured and working. I'm not protecting it for now. Please if you notice new clear cut [[wiki spam]] cases, add them to the list and blank the page untill a sysop shows up to delete the pages.
+----
 .05.2005