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::All [[sysop]]s have such ideas. All sysops are wrong. See [[God's Eye View]]. | ::All [[sysop]]s have such ideas. All sysops are wrong. See [[God's Eye View]]. | ||
::all sysops have eyes. all sysops are wrong. like the sysops all trolls have eyes. so all trolls are wrong. | |||
I have an idea about the world-tree. | I have an idea about the world-tree. | ||
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And I try to behave in a way, and I look out if it is effective and I think about how could I change it to make it become more effective. I do it openly so that people can see it, and I hope that people think: "Hey, this works - I'll try it that way too." But I do not prescribe anything to anybody, all I give is an example and recommendations. Nobody has to follow these. Nobody has to, everybody can - that's wiki. Tell me when you find things I wrote where this does not apply, this is most important for me to know. A pic and Zauber is the least to ask for when into effective wikiwork (the latter counts - the pic is helpful). "Butter bei die Fische!", as we say in German. Or do you want this to take for ever and a day? | And I try to behave in a way, and I look out if it is effective and I think about how could I change it to make it become more effective. I do it openly so that people can see it, and I hope that people think: "Hey, this works - I'll try it that way too." But I do not prescribe anything to anybody, all I give is an example and recommendations. Nobody has to follow these. Nobody has to, everybody can - that's wiki. Tell me when you find things I wrote where this does not apply, this is most important for me to know. A pic and Zauber is the least to ask for when into effective wikiwork (the latter counts - the pic is helpful). "Butter bei die Fische!", as we say in German. Or do you want this to take for ever and a day? | ||
::You do not get it, do you? "Effective wikiwork" begins with the overthrow of the [[sysop power structure]] in favour of the [[New Troll point of view]] - it is only once new trolls are in charge, that [[wiki ideology]] can be destroyed and the mandate pursued. NEW trolls. Not the old trolls that started the wiki. | ::You do not get it, do you? "Effective wikiwork" begins with the overthrow of the [[sysop power structure]] in favour of the [[New Troll point of view]] - it is only once new trolls are in charge, that [[wiki ideology]] can be destroyed and the mandate pursued. NEW trolls, those HONESTLY ATTRACTED BY THE [[wiki mission]]. Not the old trolls that started the wiki, because they NEUROTICALLY THOUGHT THEY WERE THE BEST PEOPLE TO CONTROL the wiki mission. By definition the new trolls are sincere, while the old trolls simply seek to retain power. | ||
PS. I do not really favor the harsh tone between us, it's ok for the beginning though. Fist jams usually go like that. Part of my aggression (the socalled evil) btw is due to my insufficient and slooow reading english. Sorry for that, we'll get it done I guess. I like your precise language, I like very much how nordic mystic is woven in here. | PS. I do not really favor the harsh tone between us, it's ok for the beginning though. Fist jams usually go like that. Part of my aggression (the socalled evil) btw is due to my insufficient and slooow reading english. Sorry for that, we'll get it done I guess. I like your precise language, I like very much how nordic mystic is woven in here. | ||
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::Liking it is not enough. You must live it. Abandon your username! Use any anonymous proxy that will render your identity nebulous! Become a [[troll]]! | ::Liking it is not enough. You must live it. Abandon your username! Use any anonymous proxy that will render your identity nebulous! Become a [[troll]]! | ||
If you become a troll first, alright. -- [[User:MattisManzel|MattisManzel]] 23:10, 5 Jul 2004 (EEST) | |||
::True trolls are made by [[troll-formative injustice]] and maintained by [[anti-troll bias]]. | |||
::: Hey, why 2 u want 2 force Madthis into using old-fashioned trolling strategies? Any troll is free 2 use the ways he likes! Who are u 2 prescribe other trolls their behaviour? Isn't he a newer troll than u? | |||
::::He has not yet admitted that he is a [[troll]]! That is quite important. When he does, he may [[race to the bottom|lead us]], and perhaps in time even become [[Lowest Troll]]! | |||
::: When had a troll evR 2 admit 2 be a troll? When did a troll? It was always a label attached 2 us 2 hurt us. Now we may be proud of the label but does this mean we have 2 admit something? I don't admit nothing. ** T2R | |||
Well, it's quite simple. You just cut a hole in your stomach like I did and you can eat as much gryt as you want to. Give it a try. -- [[User:MattisManzel|MattisManzel]] 19:45, 6 Jul 2004 (EEST) | |||
Heya trolls, | |||
There are postings called "spam" pretty all over in wikilandia. I tried to interlink some wikispam discussions and proposed a SpamBox/WikiSpamBusters solution. I'd be interested to hear what you think of it. http://wiki.s23.org/wiki.pl?WikiSpam. More generally your view on spam in the wiki process interests me. -- [[User:MattisManzel|MattisManzel]] 20:54, 15 Jul 2004 (EEST) | |||
::::So-called "[[spam]]" is a symptom of having no clear process to deal with the [[funded troll]]. Most [[wiki spam]] is actually subtle and consists of inappropriate references to commercial products or services including raising questions or issues about them that put one type of service in a competitive advantage to another. | |||
:::::''side note'' - Obviously [[Consumerium buying signal]] is doing this honestly and openly. But much [[Wikimedia corruption]] consists of an over-tolerance for specific corporate interests, e.g. Bomis, that advance their own interests over the [[GFDL corpus]] as a whole by sponsoring [[sysop vandalism]]. | |||
::::Tolerating unlimited [funded troll]]s is to permit the [[systemic bias]] of "whoever has money to pay them" into the [[community point of view]]. But to react by censoring them has of course the opposite effect to that intended: if I wish to promote [[Coca-Cola]] then I simply insert spam for [[Pepsi]] and the reactive stupidity of the [[sysop power structure]] will end up favouring my actual sponsor. So the right reaction is one process that doesn't care who is funded and who is not, and simply determines that: | |||
:::::"Hey, you are not representative of the [[New Troll point of view]], the statistical evidence and sequence of events is such that the [[balance of probabilities]] favours the theory of you being paid to be here, not having shown up due to some natural or normal expansion of our user base to include such as yourself." Is this easy to figure out? No. But given a [[faction]] system is possible. If in a given month you get 20 new "Reds" and 10 new "Blues", you might observe that one blue defends commercial products very specifically, two reds attack them. So if in one month four of the ten Blues are strongly promoting commercial products but only two of the Reds are strongly defaming them, this is a big shift, and there are tests you can apply to determine if this skew is the result of some deliberate attempt to influence or alter the [[neutral point of view]]. | |||
:::::But to get to that, you must acknowledge that there is a [[New Troll point of view]] and that changes in the flow of attention into the wiki must change. | |||
:::::In this model, "spam" is simply statistically infrequent linkage or approval of some commercial product, perhaps as quantified by a [[URI]]. | |||
:::::There are other useful tests like "is the URI linked to, presently for sale?" If so then it's likely someone trying to boost up the [[page view]]s. | |||