Editing User talk:DanKeshet/scratchpad

Many orgs already gather data.  See [[essential projects]] and [[interesting projects]].  But they don't put it in a format that can be filtered for one-purchase at a time for various people's criteria.  That's the objective here.  At least so far.

And, yes, you're right, the [[Signal Wiki]] will be simple.  It will not look like this [[Development Wiki]].  It probably won't use the same software, for instance.  Ideally it would use what [[Metaweb]] creates.

On the UI issue:

There's no reason not to distribute data on what's in the store in book form, even customized book form.  You could for instance slide a card into a slot, and get a printed book with [[price premium]] information customized to you, or generic information like a score.  It might even get printed at the [[retail shelf]] someday if some nation decides to require it - the first step to [[Consumerium Country]].  There's no bias as to how the signal is delivered.  That's the main reason the language IS so abstract right now, actually.

:These options are now covered properly at [[Consumerium buying signal]].

If you think the existing default end user vision is wrongheaded, well, write up some [[worst cases]] about it failing.  Otherwise there's nothing specific to discuss.  Write up some [[best cases]] with a book or guide at the shelf.  The whole reason to solicit these [[use case]]s is to figure this kind of stuff out.

But there are several points of [[Consumerium Service access]], and they would have to key on some product identifier, and the [[barcode]] is the standard one.  We also know that it gets scanned at the [[checkout counter]], so it might just be a matter of adding up a [[score]], like a game.  There might be benefits or a reward scheme for buying moral products.  But sometimes just to know your score is valuable.  There's merit to treating it like a game, where you are EXPECTED to memorize or just shift habits so as to buy more ethically.

But all of these things would still require someone to [[barcode scan]] to be sure what the product was.

And it's a fantasy to believe that companies whose behaviour is exposed by the [[Consumerium Services]] as undesirable would not try to interfere legally.  We would have to be damn sure of our data.  This isn't a [[Wikipedia]] type wankfest of amateurs.  This data is supposed to be reliable enough to bet on.  The whole [[ConsuML]] proposal is about drawing on data from many sources to dump into [[Consumerium:intermediate page]]s, and hopefully not creating new data that would have to be verified by volunteers here.