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 :: Yes please do!  It is probably the most important subject in the world if we are going to have [[w:international law]] that works.
-If someone succeeded in this it would advance our cause a lot. We would just have to code the algorithm, insert data and then wait for the computer to tell us who should be a***********.
+If someone succeeded in this it would advance our cause a lot. We would just have to code the algorithm, insert data and then wait for the computer to tell us who should we blame.
 :: Or at least, scare that worst person into handing over all assets to a foundation to save poor scared monkeys from big bad abstractions.
+:::Abstractions?
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+==About [[m:person_DTD]]==
+I'm moving this stuff about [[m:person_DTD]] here, because Consumerium project needs to be pragmatic and sensible, which in my mind means for one thing that we are not going to get 100% accurate information in the system most of the time. The key to pulling this whole project off is that we have to convince people that we '''TRY''' to provide them reasonably reliable information and the possibility of [[disinformation]] is something that people should keep in mind, but not let it bother them too much. Otherwise we might just as well be trying to modify lottery machines to run [[nuclear]] power plants --[[User:Consumerium|Consumerium]] 20:15 Apr 25, 2003 (EEST)
+===persons ===
+*[[m:person_DTD]]
+: This type of control-freakish markup is shunned by many [[w:wikipedians|wikipedians]] for understandable reasons, where as [http://disinfopedia.org disinfopedians] and some [[w:NGO|NGO]]s like it.
+: As for what I think is that this is way overkill for our purposes. [[Gender]], [[Birthyear]], [[Nationality]], [[Employer]], [[Profession]] and perhaps some contact info should be quite adequate for [[employee]]s, [[campaigner]]s and [[commentator]]s. [[w:Anonymous Coward|Anonymous Coward]]s can of course be dismissed as nobodys more easily then someone who has [[w:GnuPG|GnuPG]] or commercially signed identities.  [[Consumer]]s naturally can reveal as little or much about themselves as they wish. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 23:21 Apr 15, 2003 (EEST)
+::However much or how little you record about a person, it would be useful to make sure that the tag-names don't conflict with more general uses.  For instance Nationality can mean Birthplace, it can mean Citizenship, it can mean Ethnicity.  So Nationality is a bad tag name.  Employer?  Some people have many, or none.  Profession?  Not standard across all countries, better to record degrees and certifications, say as Credential.  And all can be multiple.  And how to remain Anonymous while still revealing credentials, so called [[Blind Credential]] is very important.
+:Good points above.
+Identifying individual people unambiguously is more controversial, a two-edged sword.  Some activists like [http://amnesty.org Amnesty] and [http://greenpeace.org Greenpeace] do it often, for what they consider clear moral purposes.  Other projects like [http://wikipedia.org Wikipedia] have less clear purposes and thus less excuse for "outing" or "shaming".  This is not an easy issue for consumerium:
+On the one hand certain individuals like [[person X]] and [[person Y]] are engaged in a vast number of unpopular activities, and many would choose to have nothing to do with an enterprise that they profited from.  Being sure that the activity is associated with them is impossible without some clear way of identifying individuals and their interests - there is danger that innocents will be targetted if identification is not clear.  On the other hand, there is reason to fear "witchhunts" and "dossiers" on ordinary individuals, and automation of person-tracking and identification certainly makes this easier.
+However, some means of standardizing references to persons seems to be underway in some projects, e.g. wikipedia, anyway.  Consumerium may not be able to igore them.  There are also reasons to identify "noble" individuals for merit or recognition, e.g. [http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=James_Gustave_Gus_Speth disinfopedia's naming of reliable sources e.g. James Speth].  This can be important to validate information to be used in buying decisions, e.g. [http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIPAESA as the 'authority' in TIPAESA structures].