Subject-object problem: Difference between revisions

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From ''[[w:subject-object problem|en: Wikipedia: subject-object problem]]:''
From ''[[w:subject-object problem|en: Wikipedia: subject-object problem]]:''


In ethics, social science and linguistics, the '''subject-object problem''' is a deliberate [[power grab]] or unintentional "confusion resulting from a shifting, inconsistent or vague assignment of observer and observed, active and passive, status in a sentence. Depending on how one views language, and [[w:mathematics as a langauge|mathematics as a language]], this confusion may extend quite deeply into philosophy of all kinds including that of [[law]], [[science]] and [http://wikinfo.org/wiki.php?title=mathematics mathematics itself].
"In ethics, social science and linguistics, the '''subject-object problem''' is a deliberate [[power grab]] or unintentional "confusion resulting from a shifting, inconsistent or vague assignment of observer and observed, active and passive, status in a sentence. Depending on how one views language, and [[w:mathematics as a langauge|mathematics as a language]], this confusion may extend quite deeply into philosophy of all kinds including that of [[law]], [[science]] and [http://wikinfo.org/wiki.php?title=mathematics mathematics itself].


=== in language ===
=== in language ===
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A closely related power issue in ethics, sociology and philosophy of science is that of '''the other''', that being, an entity or [[group entity]] which is always treated as an object, assuming oneself or "those like oneself" as the subject. In making such a universal assignment of object status, a group such as slaves, women, psychiatric patients, workers, foreigners, (editor adds:  [[trolls]]) or debtors can be assigned some subordinate status by use of language. The master, man, clinician, employer, citizen, (editor adds: [[sysop]]), creditor, respectively, can legally (using force) assume some power for the other, and speak for them in the same manner as the fictional literary omniscient narrator."
A closely related power issue in ethics, sociology and philosophy of science is that of '''the other''', that being, an entity or [[group entity]] which is always treated as an object, assuming oneself or "those like oneself" as the subject. In making such a universal assignment of object status, a group such as slaves, women, psychiatric patients, workers, foreigners, (editor adds:  [[trolls]]) or debtors can be assigned some subordinate status by use of language. The master, man, clinician, employer, citizen, (editor adds: [[sysop]]), creditor, respectively, can legally (using force) assume some power for the other, and speak for them in the same manner as the fictional literary omniscient narrator."


Thus '''objectification''' including '''sexual objectication''' is a matter of reducing a person into a position of always being perceived, never perceiving.  For example mention of [[Jennifer Love Hewitt]] is probably an invocation of a sexually attraction or celebrity pattern, not likely much to do with the woman herself as a person.
Thus '''objectification''' including '''sexual objectication''' is a matter of reducing a person into a position of always being perceived, never perceiving.
 
=== extreme examples ===
 
[[God's Eye View]] and [[rape]] are two extreme examples of subject object issues that create or justify extreme [[unequal power relationship]]s, those being, between [[priestly hierarchy]] and ordinary worshippers, and between rapist and those raped.  These relationships are simply imposed by force on an unwilling object who is forced to submit to them, regardless of consequences. Some believe [[colonialism]] is also a product of exactly the same phenomena, and that [[technological escalation]] is closely related to these same issues.
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