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removing redundant election issue - now there are four claims here, and NONE of them is either false or unsubstantiated: two are contested, two speak to intent
(removing redundant link transit stuff; demonstrating that none of these are "false", noting Sysop Vandal point of view which believes sysops absolutely, discounts trolls completely, and so on)
(removing redundant election issue - now there are four claims here, and NONE of them is either false or unsubstantiated: two are contested, two speak to intent)
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''The following is from [[Sysop Vandal point of view]] not [[New Troll point of view]].  That is, a reasonable and objective party with no history dealing with the parties accused and providing evidence would not conclude that claims were '''false or unsubstantiated''' based on what is cited here.  They are [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]] issues that for some reason have been disputed or resolved or where the accusation itself forced previously hidden information to light, e.g. the election results, the unilateral dealing with very important matters like the China ban,
''The following is from [[Sysop Vandal point of view]] not [[New Troll point of view]].  That is, a reasonable and objective party with no history dealing with the parties accused and providing evidence would not conclude that claims were '''false or unsubstantiated''' based on what is cited here.  They are [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]] issues that for some reason have been disputed or resolved or where the accusation itself forced previously hidden information to light, e.g. the election results, the unilateral dealing with very important matters like the China ban.''


==False claim: Wikimedia holding Board Vote results is a sign of corruption==
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==False claim: Wikimedia withholding Board Vote results is a sign of corruption==
'''False claim''': [[Wikimedia]] is corrupt because it did not originally release full records of the Board Vote. Claim was stated as follows:
'''False claim''': [[Wikimedia]] is corrupt because it did not originally release full records of the Board Vote. Claim was stated as follows:


::This is wrong.  They are corrupt because they did not WANT to initially.  A non-corrupt organization does not have to be asked to release election result data.


The partially released [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2004-June/000370.html results] of the [[Wikimedia Board of Trustees]] "election" proves what [[trolls]] have always said:  it is a front for the [[sysop power structure]]:
The partially released [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2004-June/000370.html results] of the [[Wikimedia Board of Trustees]] "election" proves what [[trolls]] have always said:  it is a front for the [[sysop power structure]]:
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*withholding full [[Wikimedia Board of Trustees]] election results from the voters!  [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2004-June/000360.html apparently there will be NO release of figures (!), even on a sitewide basis, according to directives by Jimbo] the [[GodKing]] of Wikimedia and Bomis
*withholding full [[Wikimedia Board of Trustees]] election results from the voters!  [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2004-June/000360.html apparently there will be NO release of figures (!), even on a sitewide basis, according to directives by Jimbo] the [[GodKing]] of Wikimedia and Bomis


'''Filed by [[142.177.X.X]] date yet to be determined'''
'''Filed by [[142.177.X.X]] immediately after the elections - note references.'''
 
===Motivation for critiqued practice===
===Motivation for critiqued practice===
::This is not true. Imran and Danny have decided to not release full results apparently because some candidates wished they not be released. This has been critisized in the #wikipedia IRC channel recently and a plan is proposed that all results of those candidates who agree to releasing their votecounts would be released and those withholding would just look silly.
::This is not true. Imran and Danny have decided to not release full results apparently because some candidates wished they not be released. This has been critisized in the #wikipedia IRC channel recently and a plan is proposed that all results of those candidates who agree to releasing their votecounts would be released and those withholding would just look silly.
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*Claim proved false and moved to [[Talk:Wikimedia_corruption]] claims on '''14:48, 19 Jun 2004 (EEST)'''  
*Claim proved false and moved to [[Talk:Wikimedia_corruption]] claims on '''14:48, 19 Jun 2004 (EEST)'''  
*'''Claim moved to [[FUCOC]] by and on --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 18:32, 9 Sep 2004 (EEST)'''
*'''Claim moved to [[FUCOC]] by and on --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 18:32, 9 Sep 2004 (EEST)'''
:::::Again from [[Sysop Vandal point of view]].  Only to the [[sysop vandalism|sysop vandal]] does a claim correct when made and referencing the intent of people become 'False' when those people are finally forced to give in.  If you steal something and lie about it, and I say you are a thief, then, you give it back, does the claim that you are a thief become a "false claim"?
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**'''Claim moved to [[FUCOC]] by and on --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 18:50, 9 Sep 2004 (EEST)
**'''Claim moved to [[FUCOC]] by and on --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 18:50, 9 Sep 2004 (EEST)
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==False claim: Wikimedia holding Board Vote results is a sign of corruption==
'''False claim''': [[Wikimedia]] is corrupt because it did not originally release full records of the Board Vote. Claim was stated as follows:
::This is wrong.  They are corrupt because they did not WANT to initially.  A non-corrupt organization does not have to be asked to release election result data.
The partially released [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2004-June/000370.html results] of the [[Wikimedia Board of Trustees]] "election" proves what [[trolls]] have always said:  it is a front for the [[sysop power structure]]:
*withholding full [[Wikimedia Board of Trustees]] election results from the voters!  [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2004-June/000360.html apparently there will be NO release of figures (!), even on a sitewide basis, according to directives by Jimbo] the [[GodKing]] of Wikimedia and Bomis
'''Filed by [[142.177.X.X]] immediately after the elections - note references.'''
===Motivation for critiqued practice===
::This is not true. Imran and Danny have decided to not release full results apparently because some candidates wished they not be released. This has been critisized in the #wikipedia IRC channel recently and a plan is proposed that all results of those candidates who agree to releasing their votecounts would be released and those withholding would just look silly.
:::Sorry, this was true when written, and, full disclosure is full disclosure.  What were they trying to hide?  Whether they succeeded in hiding it or not.  It appears they were trying to hide just how many cronies could use their cronyism to score high in this "election"
===Resolution to claim being false===
::::After taking up the issue with Danny here are the full election results http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_results --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]]
*Claim proved false and moved to [[Talk:Wikimedia_corruption]] claims on '''14:48, 19 Jun 2004 (EEST)'''
*'''Claim moved to [[FUCOC]] by and on --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 18:32, 9 Sep 2004 (EEST)'''
:::::Again from [[Sysop Vandal point of view]].  Only to the [[sysop vandalism|sysop vandal]] does a claim correct when made and referencing the intent of people become 'False' when those people are finally forced to give in.  If you steal something and lie about it, and I say you are a thief, then, you give it back, does the claim that you are a thief become a "false claim"?


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of newly elected board being dismissed from formulating a strategy to deal with the issue according to [[Engish Wikpedia user Angela]] she received information on this situation two weeks before the authorization was made by Jimmy.
of newly elected board being dismissed from formulating a strategy to deal with the issue according to [[Engish Wikpedia user Angela]] she received information on this situation two weeks before the authorization was made by Jimmy.
::Nice counter-claim.  Why should anyone believe her?  Especially the [[trolls]] she lies about, harasses, and subjects to [[sysop vandalism]].  She would very obviously lie for Wales, she lies all the time and does his dirty work, removing material fit for an [[encyclopedia]] but not a [[Bomis]] advert.


*'''Claim moved to FUCOC by and on --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 11:27, 11 Sep 2004 (EEST) 04:53, 11 Sep 2004 (EEST)
*'''Claim moved to FUCOC by and on --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 11:27, 11 Sep 2004 (EEST) 04:53, 11 Sep 2004 (EEST)
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