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Excellent overall. | Excellent overall. Our [[Lowest Troll]] has written a marvellous summary of [[trolling]], or at least the sort of [[heroic trolling]] that goes on here. | ||
The | The [[Research Wiki]] will contains lots of half-baked stuff and so should not be indexed to the world, agreed. This makes it more [[troll-friendly]] and less subject to external pressure. | ||
However, we can only reduce [[trolling]] in the [[Development Wiki]] once the [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] is in place. Most trolling has been to avoid the CGO making the mistakes of [[Wikimedia]], and so it has had to be very critical of [[Wikipedia]] to make sure we do not make their mistakes. Once CGO exists and has a formal structure, it will have its own problems and it will no longer be so necessary to make pointed comments and criticisms of other wikis - though the reasons we made those decisions should be documented and remain on the record, new trolling regarding [[Wikimedia]] will become irrelvant as our own [[sysop power structure]] evolves and we get our own native breed of [[trolls]]. | However, we can only reduce [[trolling]] in the [[Development Wiki]] once the [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] is in place. Most trolling has been to avoid the CGO making the mistakes of [[Wikimedia]], and so it has had to be very critical of [[Wikipedia]] to make sure we do not make their mistakes. Once CGO exists and has a formal structure, it will have its own problems and it will no longer be so necessary to make pointed comments and criticisms of other wikis - though the reasons we made those decisions should be documented and remain on the record, new trolling regarding [[Wikimedia]] will become irrelvant as our own [[sysop power structure]] evolves and we get our own native breed of [[trolls]]. | ||
When [[CGO]] exists, the time will come to consolidate what is known and get away from issues with personalities, though warnings about toxic personalities and power figures who have unjust authority must remain... the [[Wikipedia Red Faction]] can continue [[trolling]] [[Wikimedia]] and this should be tolerated here until there is a safe base for them that is not being hacked by [[vandalbot]]s. If there is any [[libel]] it is of the [[trolls]] - where is there ANY STATEMENT ABOUT ANY WIKIMEDIA SYSOP THAT IS NOT TRUE? There are truths they don't like, and, there are allusions and circumstantial evidence that they don't like, but, under all this pressure, everything has become very exactly stated and detailed - even the arguments between pairs of people are relatively clear and to the point and useful to read. | |||
Revision as of 20:30, 7 June 2004
Excellent overall. Our Lowest Troll has written a marvellous summary of trolling, or at least the sort of heroic trolling that goes on here.
The Research Wiki will contains lots of half-baked stuff and so should not be indexed to the world, agreed. This makes it more troll-friendly and less subject to external pressure.
However, we can only reduce trolling in the Development Wiki once the Consumerium Governance Organization is in place. Most trolling has been to avoid the CGO making the mistakes of Wikimedia, and so it has had to be very critical of Wikipedia to make sure we do not make their mistakes. Once CGO exists and has a formal structure, it will have its own problems and it will no longer be so necessary to make pointed comments and criticisms of other wikis - though the reasons we made those decisions should be documented and remain on the record, new trolling regarding Wikimedia will become irrelvant as our own sysop power structure evolves and we get our own native breed of trolls.
When CGO exists, the time will come to consolidate what is known and get away from issues with personalities, though warnings about toxic personalities and power figures who have unjust authority must remain... the Wikipedia Red Faction can continue trolling Wikimedia and this should be tolerated here until there is a safe base for them that is not being hacked by vandalbots. If there is any libel it is of the trolls - where is there ANY STATEMENT ABOUT ANY WIKIMEDIA SYSOP THAT IS NOT TRUE? There are truths they don't like, and, there are allusions and circumstantial evidence that they don't like, but, under all this pressure, everything has become very exactly stated and detailed - even the arguments between pairs of people are relatively clear and to the point and useful to read.