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will open up some basic questions to see if assumptions are compatible - if not, Consumerium will have competition
(to clarify - trolls think *all* "Wikipedians" are dreaded, since they found their "community" on a sort of groupthink that includes lying about trolls and misrepresenting what they say) |
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Create a [[Consumerium:Proposed_deletion]] page, right now. | Create a [[Consumerium:Proposed_deletion]] page, right now. | ||
:Nope. This is an R&D Wiki and I've made no guarantee to act in any kind of democratic way here. I'll keep on deleting [[Consumerium Data Whorehouse]] anytime it appears again because I in my opinion it does not qualify for an article name. I've thought about the problem of keeping [[consumer]] personal [[preferences]] safe a long time ago and the possible solutions I came up with were: | :Nope. This is an R&D Wiki and I've made no guarantee to act in any kind of democratic way here. I'll keep on deleting [[Consumerium Data Whorehouse]] anytime it appears again because I in my opinion it does not qualify for an article name. | ||
::So this is NOT "R&D", this is "Juxo's [[Opinion Wiki]]" ultimately? This is assuming that you understand naming and org problems better than everyone else who contributes, which is [[God's Eye View]] at its worst, and certainly not R&D. You may bring on a [[democratize or destroy]] decision sooner rather than later, which is not bad... we'll do some work to establish assumptions in common or not, and if they don't apply, well, you will have some competition. No reason pretending this is personal, or that it is not dead serious. You're a good guy, you should have a chance to make a stand on what you really believe. | |||
I've thought about the problem of keeping [[consumer]] personal [[preferences]] safe a long time ago and the possible solutions I came up with were: | |||
*Store the data encrypted and give the key only to the consumer. This way the data persists in the network and can be made available for server side processing (quite necessary for plain XHTML UI) and disposed of after the [[consumer]] has left the network. | *Store the data encrypted and give the key only to the consumer. This way the data persists in the network and can be made available for server side processing (quite necessary for plain XHTML UI) and disposed of after the [[consumer]] has left the network. | ||
**A [[right to vanish]] ? Well you over-trust in the technology here. | |||
*Store the data within the [[Consumer Agent]] residing in the consumers personal mobile terminal. The consumer agent can then give snipplets of the [[preferences]] and other data to the network on a on-demand basis. | *Store the data within the [[Consumer Agent]] residing in the consumers personal mobile terminal. The consumer agent can then give snipplets of the [[preferences]] and other data to the network on a on-demand basis. | ||
**This is ideal, as then you don't get into the obvious [[identity dispute]]. | |||
No one serious is going to work like this. | No one serious is going to work like this. | ||
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:Oh? | :Oh? | ||
::The most serious are going to require at least a [[Votes for deletion]] page to actively debate what is relevant, and what not. Anything else is [[GodKing]]-ism or [[God's Eye View]]. | ::The most serious are going to require at least a [[Votes for deletion]] page to actively debate what is relevant, and what not. Certainly on refactoring decisions/naming. Anything else is [[GodKing]]-ism or [[God's Eye View]]. | ||
Obviously, you haven't worked on large projects with many developers before, or you would know that off-putting naming is the ONLY way to do certain things, like, create '''straw man''' entities that you don't want in the final release. | Obviously, you haven't worked on large projects with many developers before, or you would know that off-putting naming is the ONLY way to do certain things, like, create '''straw man''' entities that you don't want in the final release. | ||
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:::"the dreaded Wikipedians" - lol. | :::"the dreaded Wikipedians" - lol. | ||
::::[[Trolls]] didn't say that, you did. Trolls simply think all "Wikipedians" are "dreaded". There is no subset of "Wikipedians" who are dreaded, it's anyone who accepts that label for themselves who is dreaded, for good reasons. Sunir Shah has interesting views on this and how Wikipedia has invaded his life. | ::::[[Trolls]] didn't say that, you did. Trolls simply think all "Wikipedians" are "dreaded". There is no subset of "Wikipedians" who are dreaded, it's anyone who accepts that label for themselves who is dreaded, for good reasons. Sunir Shah has interesting views on this and how Wikipedia has invaded his life. And certainly other people are lied about there too. Eventually someone will sue the whole mess out of existence, thankfully. | ||
:::Thanks for your welcome Juxo. :) [[User:Angela|Angela]] 02:55, 22 Dec 2003 (EET) | :::Thanks for your welcome Juxo. :) [[User:Angela|Angela]] 02:55, 22 Dec 2003 (EET) | ||
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