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==One or Two wikis?==
So...
 
'''This is just thinking aloud, so there are bound to be lots of errors and nonsense'''
 
There has been some complaints about [[The Consumerium Exchange]] being a misleading name for the facility, which is about '''experessing opinions and support or the lack of for the expressed opinions''' and I have noted this problem that it does not translate well at all, so I propose a new working title: '''[[Opinion Wiki]]''' . This name is in no way "set in stone" due to that this wiki has arrived at a state of incoherence in other words this is a mess and it's largely due to that we started out without any clue on naming conventions or when to write stuff in one article and when to split it to many articles.
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As mentioned in [[Campaign#Campaign Management|Campaign]] there is an initial thought of campaign management by wiki which would be easy for the campaigners.
 
Thinking about this approach I came to the realisation that why not extend the use of wiki beyond just campaign management so that majority of the user interface to The Consumerium Exchange would be wiki based.
 
==Basic Outline of Opinion Wiki==
Here goes an initial outline of how it would work:
 
==Namespaces==
*User - no offending usernames please
*Group - must correspond to a real-world registered entity
*VirtualGroup - must not conflict with names of real-world entities
*Campaign - preferably descriptive names
 
==Set articles and permissions==
===User===
*User/Keys - If a person wishes to sign articles s/he should put keys used here. Protection by social contract and page protection if required (optional)
*User/MyVotes - every link from here to voting pages will be counted as a vote for the campaign
 
===Group===
*Group - creation of group pages only by registering within the Vault.
*Group/Keys - keys used for signing articles (optional)
*Group/OurVotes - every link from here to voting pages will be counted as a vote for the campaign
*Group/Members - All Group articles editable by those Users listed in this article.
*Group/Affiliations - Listing affiliations with Companies and other organisations
*Group/FOAF - With sections Friend, Foe and Neutral. Links to other Groups and VirtualGroups with freeform explanations
 
===VirtualGroup===
*VirtualGroup - can be creted freely by any User, but will be disabled if the name is misleading or offending
*VirtualGroup/Keys - keys used for signing articles (optional)
*VirtualGroup/OurVotes - every link from here to voting pages will be counted as a vote for the campaign
*VirtualGroup/Members - All VirtualGroup articles editable by those Users listed in this article. Users may not remove other users from this, only themselves. When the last User removes her/himself from the page the VirtualGroup ceases to exist.  All links to Groups and other VirtualGroups from this page will be recursively followed to find out the total amount of members, real and virtual respectively. Possible links are:
**User
**Group
**VirtualGroup
*VirtualGroup/FOAF - With sections Friend, Foe and Neutral. Links to other Groups and VirtualGroups with freeform explanations
 
===Campaign===
*Campaign - Can be started by Groups and VirtualGroups
*Campaign/Target - link to the issue being campaigned
*Campaign/Score - required
*Campaign/Members - The campaign is editable by these. Recurse to find total amount of members
*Campaign/Vote - Used as a link-to target from
**UserName/MyVotes
**GroupName/OurVotes
**WikiGroupName/OurVotes


Suppose two wikis, I'll call them [[Opinion Wiki]] and [[Content Wiki]] as working titles.
==More on Opinion Wiki==


This has advantages:
*From these bits of information directed, weighed networks describing distribution of WikiVotes and Campaigners can be formed and the directed networks will be used to calculate indices that can be studied
*Better scalability
*Cycles (A is a member of B and B is a member of A) will be autodetected and while the situation persists A and B will have reduced or zero value in the bigger scheme of things
*Better security (HTTPS?) for [[Content Wiki]] without performance losses in [[Opinion Wiki]]
*Subarticles can be automatically collapsed to the main article for a better viewing experience
*Differentiated [[sysop power structure]] to deal with things that directly alter the [[Consumerium buying signal]] (content) versus not.
*Please note that the outline contains mainly only those articles and subarticles required to form hierarchies, not much on  actual content
*Use of one to experiment for the others
*Looks like we are going to have [[The Consumerium Exchange|Three classes of votes]]:
*What else is there?
**WikiVote
**Direct Vote
**Indirect Vote
*Duplicate WikiVotes can occour by accident, by purpose and apparently by design eg. [[Group:Association X Country]] belongs to [[Group:Association X International]]
**There must be rules on which of the votes gets excluded in this case.
**The apparent approaches being top-down and bottom-up.
**Which is better is a curious question. My guess suggestion is bottom-up so that "Local Votes" get included and "Federal Votes" get excluded
*This is in no way complete and there is likely a lot of opportunities for new kinds of vandalism


and disadvantages which would apply only if [[mediawiki]] were used:
Note that there could be multiple levels of (un)security available for committing changes to Opinion Wiki:
*Distinct Recent Changes (could be hacked to show both in one view)
*Double login (can maybe be avoided by sharing the session, or using jabber id)
*Checking link correctness is more work (could be hacked too)
*Differentiated [[sysop power structure]] easier to subvert by [[usurper]]s unless care is taken
*What else is there?


I hear that [http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=Main_Page OpenFacts] have done something like session sharing with multiple wikis with [[MediaWiki]]. Must inquire them about their solution and experiences
#Anonymous access
#Access protected by password over HTTP
#Access protected by password over HTTPS
#Access protected by GnuPG signatures on save with self claimed keys
#Access protected by GnuPG signatures on save with keys verified by a third party or Consumerium Vault
#Access protected by GnuPG signatures on save with keys verified by third parties and Consumerium Vault


For what I've been able to think lately maybe merging [[Content Wiki]] and [[Opinion Wiki]] into just one [[wiki]] could prove most workable. Since almost all article types have been defined already and will use a [[pseudo namespace]] or a real one if we hack it to support more true namespaces.
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And on...


:What about [[Signal:Exxon]] versus [[Research:Exxon]]? Something has to be debated as research before it is accepted as reliable enough for the [[Consumerium buying signal]] to be affected? Ditch the words "content" and "opinion", they mean nothing.
==One or Two wikis?==


:You're confusing design issues with [[wiki code]] issues.  Don't bend design around [[mediawiki]], it's garbage and will never work on the scale or with the reliability required.  Other wikis do a much better job of dealing with these problems, and will do better in future, certainly.  The [[tikiwiki]] people have already dealt with a lot of these issues, and the [[OneBigWiki]] people are working on login and changes issues, although they are wrong to think [[MeatballWiki]] is going to help, it's not a solution, it's another problem.  The [[MoinMoin]] people could merge all this easily since they are using common [[Python]] facilities.
Suppose two wikis, I'll call them [[Opinion Wiki]] and [[Content Wiki]] as working titles.


:Don't lose the two
This has advantages:
*Better scalability
*Better security (HTTPS?) for Opinion Wiki without performance losses in Content Wiki
*Differentiated sysops
*What else is there


===From [[Opinion Wiki]]===
and disadvantages:
*[[Consumerium User|User]]
*Distinct Recent Changes (could be hacked to show both in one view)
*[[Consumerium Troll|Troll]]
*Double login (can maybe be avoided by sharing the session)
*[[Consumerium Group|Group]] - must correspond to a real-world registered entity
*Checking link correctness is more work (could be hacked too)
*[[Consumerium VirtualGroup|VirtualGroup]] - must not conflict with names of real-world entities. Consists of [[Consumerium User|User]]s and [[Consumerium Group|Group]]s and other [[Consumerium VirtualGroup|VirtualGroup]]s
*Differentiated sysops
*[[Consumerium Campaign|Campaign]] - preferably descriptive names, and preferably recognizable to people doing real world campaigns say in [[NGO]]s.
*What else is there


===From [[Content Wiki]]===
I hear that [http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=Main_Page OpenFacts] have done something like session sharing with multiple wikis with MediaWiki. Must inquire them about their solution and experiences
*[[Company]]
*[[Product]]
*[[Product Group]]
*[[WorkDescription]]
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