Editing User:Jukeboksi/Chat Gallery/6.8.2005 with bumm13

<br /> [17:40] <font color="black">juxo> hey.. check out this cool (and little weird) wiki implementation. It's fully client side and uses Javascript for all the logic. It's very nice for a personal wikiwiki. There's only one HTML file, which you can put on a USB-memory and then have instant personal wiki anywhere you go

<br /> [17:40] <font color="green">bumm13> ok

<br /> [17:41] <font color="black">juxo> as long as you have a web client that does javascript

<br /> [17:41] <font color="black">juxo> http://www.tiddlywiki.com/

<br /> [17:41] <font color="black">juxo> it doesn't have "pages" or "articles", it has tiddlers (that are stored as <nowiki><div></nowiki>s in the single HTML file)

<br /> [17:42] <font color="green">bumm13> hmm, interesting

<br /> [17:42] <font color="black">juxo> note that it opens any "tiddlers" you click on "in-line"

<br /> [17:42] <font color="black">juxo> a very cool GUI

<br /> [17:43] <font color="green">bumm13> hmm

<br /> [17:43] <font color="black">juxo> I suppose it doesn't scale very well

<br /> [17:44] <font color="black">juxo> I'd definatelly use it if there were a conversion script to MediaWiki format

<br /> [17:44] <font color="black">juxo> on to other things..

<br /> [17:45] <font color="black">juxo> I've been thinking of this "sea of wiki" (or transwiki) approach to sharing pages among many wikis and minimizing the redundant manual work involved in such schemes

<br /> [17:46] <font color="green">bumm13> it's an interesting concept

<br /> [17:46] <font color="black">juxo> basically it works so that each article has a "master"-wiki

<br /> [17:46] <font color="black">juxo> if someone want's to edit an article that is "on loan" from some other wiki they will be guided there to edit it

<br /> [17:47] <font color="green">bumm13> hmm

<br /> [17:47] <font color="black">juxo> and any changes to the master wiki will automatically be imported to all the wikis using that page in their wiki after a delay

<br /> [17:47] <font color="black">juxo> say 30 minutes for a WP article

<br /> [17:48] <font color="black">juxo> if the edit sticks for 30 minutes it's not vandalism

<br /> [17:48] <font color="black">juxo> and if there is a revert within the timeframe, then both

<br /> [17:48] <font color="black">juxo> 1) the edit

<br /> [17:48] <font color="black">juxo> 2) the revert

<br /> [17:48] <font color="black">juxo> could be "wiped out" from history on the client wikis

<br /> [17:49] <font color="black">juxo> if that is desireable

<br /> [17:49] <font color="black">juxo> now this way WP could be rivalled or complemented (how ever you wanna see it) by a multitude of "specialist" wikis

<br /> [17:50] <font color="green">bumm13> yeah

<br /> [17:50] <font color="black">juxo> say if consumerium is the specialist in [[products]]

<br /> [17:50] <font color="black">juxo> and wikicompany is a specialist on [[historical developments of corporations]]

<br /> [17:51] <font color="black">juxo> and wikipedia is a specialist in [[encyclopedic information]]

<br /> [17:52] <font color="black">juxo> then each wiki could get their "filling" articles from other wikis dynamically and each wiki focus on what is their speciality and do good articles on those issues that are the core or essence of some wikis declaration of purpose to benefit all wikis

<br /> [17:53] <font color="black">juxo> naturally there should be the possibility that there can be a split in what is the master-wiki for some article

<br /> [17:54] <font color="black">juxo> ie. some wikis would keep WP as article-master while some sites go for the Wikinfo version

<br /> [17:56] <font color="black">juxo> every time I try to tell the MediaWiki people that there really is need for replicating articles from a chosen master-wiki they always respond with something like "Why don't you just redirect to WP?" which is annoying

<br /> [17:56] <font color="green">bumm13> yeah :(

<br /> [17:58] <font color="black">juxo> maybe WP itself has no need to use any other wiki as a master wiki for any article because WP is so complete and the information in there is usually meticulously complete but in operating a specialism-wiki (as opposed to WP being the generalism-wiki) this kind of functionality would be most welcome

<br /> [17:58] <font color="green">bumm13> sure

<br /> [17:58] <font color="black">juxo> There is the puny SpecialImport.php that no-one is actually developing

<br /> [17:59] <font color="black">juxo> and the whole export-import scheme (and application) of MW is really not developed at all

<br /> [17:59] <font color="black">juxo> One would instinctively expect that the Special:Import would automatically fetch desired pages from the other wikis, but no..

<br /> [17:59] <font color="black">juxo> you have to download via XML-export

<br /> [18:00] <font color="black">juxo> and then you have to upload to the Import-facility

<br /> [18:00] <font color="black">juxo> so there is no glue between the export and import "functionalities"

<br /> [18:00] <font color="green">bumm13> interesting

<br /> [18:01] <font color="black">juxo> I think it comes down to WP being Monolithic™ so they don't care about Fragmentic™ wikis at all

<br /> [18:01] <font color="green">bumm13> good possibility

<br /> [18:02] <font color="black">juxo> but the MW guys are also disregarding Wikimedia projects

<br /> [18:03] <font color="black">juxo> I think there isn't even one function in the codebase that is made to support Wiktionar(y)ies development

<br /> [18:04] <font color="black">juxo> I used to do english->finnish translations as therapy but then I got frustrated that after the wiktionaries were split up there was no brainstorming going on aiming to make a "TransWiktionary" ie. glue the disjoint wiktionries together

<br /> [18:04] <font color="green">bumm13> yeah, I can imagine

<br /> [18:08] <font color="black">juxo> but I really am in no position to whine about these if I don't get my stuff together and design a possible implementation framework (I do have some 4 yrs of CS studies, but then I dropped out) and present that to the MediaWiki-wizards

<br /> [18:08] <font color="black">juxo> erm..

<br /> [18:09] <font color="black">juxo> a workable design I mean by "implementation framework"

<br /> [18:11] <font color="black">juxo> I don't even know what is an "implementation framework", but it's just the sort of compu-speak that I've been listening to for years so I use it to describe something that is not quite pseudo-code, but that gives a sound plan (that a sw professional can follow) on how to implement features specified in an introduction to the problem(s) to be solved or new functionality to implement