Editing Talk:Wikipedia (from 142 perspective)

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Only issue worth noting is who we don't want coming over here.  It's now getting quite easy to identify who the ideologically motivated censors are:

[http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2004-March/011420.html This account] correctly quotes the [[sysop vandalism|sysop-vandal]] [[w:User:Pakaran]] and the [[w:racism|overt racist]] [[w:User:RickK]] as conspiring to attack and remove views from a contrary POV, that of [[Reds]].

According to that account, "The comments by User:Pakaran 
are merely an example of a broader, overarching pattern; the abuse of users 
who hold unpopular beliefs is practically out in the open now and out of 
control."  [[w:User:Jimbo_Wales]] calls this [[sysop vigilantiism]], though he himself admits an [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2004-March/011439.html anti-communist viewpoint] probably due to being American and brainwashed by racists and fascists in primary school.

Sokolov's list of racists and fascists engaged in this behaviour include[http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2004-March/011443.html  "Pakaran, RickK, Adam Carr, PMA, Very Verily, Tim Starling, and Robert Merkel"].  Of these [[w:User:Adam_Carr]] seems most egregious to Sokolov/172.  Interesting how this list compares to those listed in the various [[AWR]].  It could not be a coincidence that on a list of ONLY SEVEN USERS, that THREE OF THEM would be also those engaged in ideological censorship earlier, against 142 and others - see [[142.X.X.X/Tim_Starling]] for instance, where Starling basically admits his whole motivation for adding range blocks to [[mediawiki]] is ideological.

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