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:''Thus the [m:legion of trolls] which included a few notorious [[wiki witchhunt]]ers among its self-declared ranks, and others who ended up being confused for being trolls, etc., etc., etc. In a phrase: Yeah we know.'' | :''Thus the [m:legion of trolls] which included a few notorious [[wiki witchhunt]]ers among its self-declared ranks, and others who ended up being confused for being trolls, etc., etc., etc. In a phrase: Yeah we know.'' | ||
If you display intelligent and creative thought whilst hiding your identity, people will becomed intrigued and try to establish your identity so that they don't lose a valuable source of information. It's not | If you display intelligent and creative thought whilst hiding your identity, people will becomed intrigued and try to establish your identity so that they don't lose a valuable source of information. It's not malicious, it's natural. It's only malicious when one tries to seek a troll's identity to destroy that troll, and note under refutation of opinion in the criteria above that this may be less of an issue than the troll collective seems at this moment to think. | ||
:''but of course, once semi-reliable troll tracking exists, then, ANYONE who seeks to silence that troll may be able to do so. When the enemy actors much outnumber and outpower [[faction|friends]] or even [[Consumerium:We|those committed to fairness by some definition]], it is wise simply to count on people's natural curiosity and ability to use google and such to keep the "valuable source of information". Really all they need are [[verb phrase]]s and [[noun phrase]]s that are re-usable. Consider the [[Freemasons]]. They invented this technique, and [[secret handshake]] too probably. [[Reds]], [[Greens]], [[Golds]] usually recognize each other through a rhetoric, also.'' | :''but of course, once semi-reliable troll tracking exists, then, ANYONE who seeks to silence that troll may be able to do so. When the enemy actors much outnumber and outpower [[faction|friends]] or even [[Consumerium:We|those committed to fairness by some definition]], it is wise simply to count on people's natural curiosity and ability to use google and such to keep the "valuable source of information". Really all they need are [[verb phrase]]s and [[noun phrase]]s that are re-usable. Consider the [[Freemasons]]. They invented this technique, and [[secret handshake]] too probably. [[Reds]], [[Greens]], [[Golds]] usually recognize each other through a rhetoric, also.'' | ||
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Third: given that no single troll can ever be aware of the direction of the entire troll movement, how do you correct mistakes as a faction? | Third: given that no single troll can ever be aware of the direction of the entire troll movement, how do you correct mistakes as a faction? | ||
:''In principle, that's a problem internal to the [[faction]], that is, one that [[trolls]] should discuss amongst themselves. It's also possible to say that "no single [[Reds|Red]] or Black bloccer can ever be aware of the direction of *that* whole movement", especially if it contains groups that have [[no operational contact]]. But even the [[Blues]] have this, with their corporate shields | :''In principle, that's a problem internal to the [[faction]], that is, one that [[trolls]] should discuss amongst themselves. It's also possible to say that "no single [[Reds|Red]] or Black bloccer can ever be aware of the direction of *that* whole movement", especially if it contains groups that have [[no operational contact]]. But even the [[Blues]] have this, with their corporate shields. Everyone has their own ideal of [[privacy]].'' | ||
:''[[Greens]] could answer it simply: they employ metrics like [[nature's services]] and [[natural capital]] and [[biodiversity]] and even agree on some with [[Pinks]] like [[measuring well-being]].'' | :''[[Greens]] could answer it simply: they employ metrics like [[nature's services]] and [[natural capital]] and [[biodiversity]] and even agree on some with [[Pinks]] like [[measuring well-being]].'' | ||
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It's true that trolls inspire paranoia amongst their opposites, but some are able to keep aloof and remain sympathisers, and what do you do then? What do trolls do when they get trolled? | It's true that trolls inspire paranoia amongst their opposites, but some are able to keep aloof and remain sympathisers, and what do you do then? What do trolls do when they get trolled? | ||
:''some are able to keep aloof and remain sympathisers, and what do you do then? What do trolls do when they get trolled?" They troll back obviously. There was a fine example of this on [[ape mother]] that demonstrated many of the [[political virtues]] on both sides.'' | :''some are able to keep aloof and remain sympathisers, and what do you do then? What do trolls do when they get trolled?" They troll back obviously. There was a fine example of this on [[ape mother]] that demonstrated many of the [[political virtues]] on both sides.'' | ||
Of course, you should ignore me; I'm just trolling here. | Of course, you should ignore me; I'm just [[trolling]] here. | ||
:Yes. Ignore the [[trolls]] and some trolls outrageous claim to be the [[blacks|black]] faction as I could think of a number of colors that would suit them better. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 15:06, 19 Aug 2004 (EEST) | |||
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Hey, our apprentice [[trolls]] are improving. That one was not bad. It is vague enough that it is probably not even [[libel]]. Though how anyone can "take responsibility" for a pile of vague claims about basically nothing important, is a bit beyond [[Consumerium:We|us]]. Just what exactly do you expect others to do? Separate out your various irrational and incorrect and incoherent ways of stating what you think "happened", and find something in all that to answer to? | |||
:We only expect them to blow their stacks when they find themselves subject to their own [[trolling tactic]]s - and look! | |||
::Look? Where? This is fun. | |||
It's actually impossible to tell what you think any of these people you hate, actually specifically did. | |||
:Who said anything about hatred? Are you claiming that all [[trolls]] ''hate'' the targets of their [[trolling]]? | |||
::No, but those who try to engage in [[outing]] no matter how pathetic or inaccurate are betraying a need to drag a [[body]] into a situation where it was not previously involved. Hate is the main motive for that sort of thing. It's just not what [[trolls]] do, that is, that particular element is not an aspect of [[trolling]], but rather, of [[power grab]]s undertaken by sysops. | |||
One is forced to conclude that you just don't know, you just know that they are safe targets for you to direct your [[w:self-hatred]] outwards against. Not to do [[amateur psychiatry]], but, why not? | |||
:If you must engage in [[amateur psychiatry]], do try to make your diagnoses have ''some'' relation to reality - don't fall into the trap of the [[Wikimedia|Witchimedian]]s by making up this kind of nonsense. | |||
::There is little "reality" in your discourse, it seems to lack referents. Your [[faction]] is unclear, as is your [[wiki mission|mission]]. Perhaps you lack direction in your life in general? Let us introduce you to trolling as a [[w:personality cult|lifestyle that will focus you on what is truly important]]. | |||
You and your friends do plenty of that, right? | |||
:My fellow [[trolls]] do, at least. | |||
::Fair, a [[sysop]] is the lowest form [[trolls]] take - only when they abandon the [[technological escalation]] of the [[IP block]] can they actually become fully developed [[trolls]]. | |||
That's how you justify your [[sysop vandalism]]. | |||
:[[Trolls]] have helpfully provided us with [[Alleged and collective identity|a response]] seemingly designed exactly for this attempt to associate us with the wicked [[sysop power structure]]: | |||
::It requires no particular [[command hierarchy]] to have a [[Sysop Vandal point of view]]. Some people are raised by parents who beat them or rape them, and such people will in general tend to believe "might makes right" in later life - pardon the psychiatry. But that is not to say that this describes YOU. | |||
*''do not claim that others are all funded by some group or part of some party if they have not said so themselves'' | |||
:but they fling so many [[troll droppings]] that they can be forgiven for not remembering all of them. | |||
::Fair enough. One troll's droppings are another troll's gems. That's what makes for [[politics as usual]]. | |||
::For instance, if we were all [[w:authoritarianism|authoritarians]] then we would be able to identify one source of "truth" about [[alleged and collective identity]] and all that. But [[anti-authoritarianism in practice]] means some acceptance of ambiguity, uncertainty, and the good humour of [[political virtues]]. | |||