Editing Talk:Opinion Wiki

This is _not_ normative. See it more as an investigation into the possibility to use a wiki to manage quite formal processes.

:including an [[audit]] to see if there is really some shenanigans going on

This approach opens up lot's of new questions. Especially the vote classes are unclear now and that's not good. As I see it there seems to be more then two but less then three classes of votes if/when the [[WikiVote]] is implemented. [[Indirect Vote]]s are encapsylated in the WikiVotes, but the question of where are the [[Direct Vote]]s and how they could be trusted seems like a real integrity hazard, but actually they've been that way for a while --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 14:24, 13 Oct 2003 (EEST)

:Best way to deal with the trust issue is to have a [[Consumerium Troll]] account for each untrusted or suspicious group of edits.  For instance if you think every edit that mentions [[KitKat McFlurry]] is free advertising for the two companies that own those [[brand name]]s, then, you can link all such edits together into a common [[Troll:Sugar-coated spam]] account, and see if they are promoting other products bad for your teeth.  If so they may be being paid by the Federation of Dentists, etc..  

:A [[Role:]] account like [[User:Mediator]] (to deal with disputes) or [[User:Terminator]] (to figure out which trolls or users are really being paid to skew ratings one way, and get rid of them) could also exist.  

:The only difference between a [[Role:]] and a [[Troll:]] is that you associate an edit with a role before the fact, and with a troll only after it is made.  But this is very important symmetry...

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A better name for this is [[edits, votes and bets]].  Since this is all about the relationship between those things.  

:It's actually about EXPERIMENTING to let SEVERAL ways of relating those thigns compete.  Each [[faction]] might have its own way of doing it, and the least controversial faction might get to edit the [[Signal Wiki]]/[[Content Wiki]].  Obviously we already have factions forming:

Juxo position:  betting is bad, voting is not much better, editing can be free-form like Wikipedia and managed by the same informal methods - anything that needs formal process goes to [[Content Wiki]].  [[Trolls]] argue that the Content Wiki will be about consensus so the [[Opinion Wiki]] or the troll proposed [[The Consumerium Exchange]] must be about controversy and create contrasts that let people make the choices that they count on Consumerium to help them make.  So this implies a different kind of formality.

:Why not consider these two factions, and see if we can figure out how they would dance to make the long term [[Research Wiki]] work?  We seem to be doing fine at this [[troll-friendly]] dance so far, and obviously other [[large public wiki]]s could learn from our approach.  Even when counter-trolls came in and tried to satirize the early trolls, they were easily responded to and their comments were absorbed, despite the fact that they were partially [[vandalism]].  But when people from a [[sysop power structure]] from another [[large public wiki]] came in to excuse their abominable [[sysop vandalism]], they were [[driven off by trolls]].  So far, this is basically the right way:  probably THE SAME PEOPLE were better treated when they came in as trolls making fun than when they came in as sysops claiming authority.  This is a lesson to them, and maybe to everybody.