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by all means write articles on alleged troll corruption and some trolls are not ethical and even trollsturbation but don't pretend that they replace the issues with Wikimedia you hide
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(by all means write articles on alleged troll corruption and some trolls are not ethical and even trollsturbation but don't pretend that they replace the issues with Wikimedia you hide)
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[[Wikimedia]] considers any discussion of [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]] to  be propaganda, because, according to itself, it cannot possibly be guilty.  In general its only real response is to encourage [[vandalism]] of pages like this.
[[Wikimedia]] considers any discussion of [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]] to  be propaganda, because, according to itself, it cannot possibly be guilty.  In general its only real response is to encourage [[vandalism]] of pages like this.


[[w:Nazi Wikipedia]] and [[w:Soviet Wikipedia]] believed the same things of itself, and many ordinary good people went along with the [[power structure]].  This is not necessarily evidence of evil in people, but, perhaps, willingness to go along with evil out of fear.  For these reasons:
[[w:Nazi Germany]] and [[w:Soviet Russia]] believed the same things of itself, and many ordinary good people went along with the [[power structure]].  This is not necessarily evidence of evil in people, but, perhaps, willingness to go along with evil out of fear.  For these reasons:


In general any assertions of wrong-doing by a power structure are considered to be propaganda by people in that power structure, whose opinions of it should not be counted.   
In general any assertions of wrong-doing by a power structure are considered to be propaganda by people in that power structure, whose opinions of it should not be counted.   


It is not up to them to say what is propaganda about themselves since they are not in an objective position.  If they wish to allege some more specific wrongdoing such as [[trollsturbation]], they may of course do so, but, they will have to actually address the claims made one by one, e.g. those that [[Some trolls are not ethical]] or others listed in [[alleged troll corruption]].
It is not up to them to say what is propaganda about themselves since they are not in an objective position.  If they wish to allege some more specific wrongdoing such as [[libel]], they may of course do so, but, they will have to actually address the claims made one by one, e.g. those that [[Wikipedia violates GFDL]] or others listed in [[alleged Wikimedia corruption]].


A better example of '''propaganda''' is the lies spread about [[Consumerium:We|us]] by the [[usurper]]s of other [[large public wiki]]s.  Jealous of the fact that Consumerium is actually pursuing a real [[wiki mission]] honestly and lets any contributor, including [[trolls]], help it do so, the [[GodKing]]s of such projects rightfully consider us a threat to their power, and attack us at every turn.  This is good practice for the day that [[Monsanto]] accuses us of [[libel]] or that [[Gus Kouwenhoven]] complains that we have hurt his business.  To prepare to deal with such claims, we must get very tough now:  learn to take all criticism in stride, and all bias likewise.
A better example of '''propaganda''' is the lies spread about [[Consumerium:We|us]] by the [[usurper]]s of other [[large public wiki]]s.  Jealous of the fact that Consumerium is actually pursuing a real [[wiki mission]] honestly and lets any contributor, including [[trolls]], help it do so, the [[GodKing]]s of such projects rightfully consider us a threat to their power, and attack us at every turn.  This is good practice for the day that [[Monsanto]] accuses us of [[libel]] or that [[Gus Kouwenhoven]] complains that we have hurt his business.  To prepare to deal with such claims, we must get very tough now:  learn to take all criticism in stride, and all bias likewise.
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