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According mostly to [[trolls]], the [[New Troll point of view]] is a real and coherent thing that can be established by [[consensus]] and keep [[large public wiki]]s from freezing into simple cliques of the existing participants.  In this [[faction]]al view, the treatment of '''new troll'''s is central to all [[wiki governance]].  This view is strongly opposed to any imposition of [[community point of view]] or trusting any [[neutral point of view]] that the established "community" agrees with.
According mostly to [[trolls]], the [[New Troll point of view]] is a real and coherent thing that can be established by [[consensus]] and keep [[large public wiki]]s from freezing into simple cliques of the existing participants.  In this [[faction]]al view, the treatment of '''new troll'''s is central to all [[wiki governance]].  This view is strongly opposed to any imposition of [[community point of view]] or trusting any [[neutral point of view]] that the established "community" agrees with.
==Factional views==
===[[Trolls]]===
A '''new troll''' is a user who has gotten into one or more conflicts but is not clearly associated with any [[faction]] yet, or has deliberately denied being representative of any faction. 
Although every effort should be made to accomodate their [[New Troll point of view]], in case it is in fact an under-represented or previously excluded view, there must be limits to this, if only to ensure that even more '''new troll'''s continue to arrive and challenge the dominant [[groupthink]].  Therefore it's probably wise to think in terms of the marginal value of accomodating each new troll:
*We want to be just [[troll-friendly]] enough that the ''next'' '''new troll''' feels just as welcome as ''this'' '''new troll''';  [[Consumerium:Policy]] will ideally make each new troll slightly more welcome.  Accordingly, it's fair to ask new trolls to make specific accomodations for the next, unknown, troll to arrive, and perhaps to prove worthiness as [[trolls]] by initiating new trolls in the intricacies of faction politics, the vileness of sysops, etc., so as to breed a worthy polity based on dissent and not on any groupthink.
*Accordingly, [[Consumerium:We]] should be able to confidently say that no user arrives without being fully empowered and motivated to join some faction that they themselves find empowering;  If they reject the trolls' view, then, they can join some other faction.  But in no case are they left entirely alone vs. a [[sysop power structure]].
''Fair?  If not why not?  How else can [[democracy]] be organized?''