Democratize or destroy: Difference between revisions
more likely friends and anti-Wikipedians (same thing)
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3. Avoid Wikipedians like the plague. They bring their disease with them wherever they go. They have an inherently violent and abusive approach to dispute resolution, often labelling for instance newcomers contributions as 'vandalism' on day one, and subjecting even longstanding contributors to totally arbitrary 'kangaroo court' type decisions. The odds of being subject to a democratize or destroy ultimatum / attack are probably directly proportional to the number of Wikipedians who become involved in one's wiki. This might be an exception to the "keep issues between wikis separate" - if Sunir Shah can't avoid the lies of Wikipedians, how could anyone else do so? | 3. Avoid Wikipedians like the plague. They bring their disease with them wherever they go. They have an inherently violent and abusive approach to dispute resolution, often labelling for instance newcomers contributions as 'vandalism' on day one, and subjecting even longstanding contributors to totally arbitrary 'kangaroo court' type decisions. The odds of being subject to a democratize or destroy ultimatum / attack are probably directly proportional to the number of Wikipedians who become involved in one's wiki. This might be an exception to the "keep issues between wikis separate" - if Sunir Shah can't avoid the lies of Wikipedians, how could anyone else do so? | ||
3a. invite [[w:User:Mirwin]], [[w:User:Netesq]], [[w:User:Jrincayc]], [[w:User:The_Cunctator]], [[w:User:Mydogategodshat]], [[w:User:Lsolum]], [[w:User:Anthere]], [[w:User:Kat]] and others who have been eloquent about the problems of Wikipedia, to participate, ''first'', and ask them to intervene to create a [[troll bridge]] when other Wikipedians, who have absorbed the negative and authoritarian conditioning of its "vile mailing list" (as The Cunctator calls it), make the error of considering Consumerium like Wikipedia. | 3a. invite [[w:User:Mirwin]], [[w:User:Netesq]], [[w:User:Jrincayc]], [[w:User:The_Cunctator]], [[w:User:Mydogategodshat]], [[w:User:Lsolum]], [[w:User:Waveguy]], [[w:User:Anthere]], [[w:User:Kat]] and others who have been diligent about process, and eloquent about the problems of Wikipedia, to participate, ''first'', and ask them to intervene to create a [[troll bridge]] when other Wikipedians, who have absorbed the negative and authoritarian conditioning of its "vile mailing list" (as The Cunctator calls it), make the error of considering Consumerium like Wikipedia. | ||
3b. consider banning all Wikipedians with sysop status or those who advocate reverting edits for non-encyclopedic reasons, period - to work at Consumerium they must give up all input into such decisions, and must revert "troll edits" to prove they are more devoted to the declared goal of the wiki, than each other. | 3b. consider banning all Wikipedians with sysop status or those who advocate reverting edits for non-encyclopedic reasons, period (see [[talk:democratize_or_destroy]] for a list) - to work at Consumerium they must give up all input into such decisions, and must revert "troll edits" to prove they are more devoted to the declared goal of the wiki, than each other. Those at Wikipedia who do this spontaneously or otherwise work to make it "a serious encyclopedia" in defiance of sysops should be recruited, of course. So far such users include [[User:Waveguy]], [[User:Ann_Kyslowski]], [[User:Jrincayc]] (who went so far as to offer to add any edits one banned user wished to make if he wanted to email then to him). Kyslowski was banned apparently just for this. | ||
4. Engage in the "democratize or destroy" and [[right to fork]] debates on as many other wikis and meta-wikis as discuss them. Avoid those, and those people who control editorial decisions, on those where such debates are banned or even marginalized. | 4. Engage in the "democratize or destroy" and [[right to fork]] debates on as many other wikis and meta-wikis as discuss them. Avoid those, and those people who control editorial decisions, on those where such debates are banned or even marginalized. | ||