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No, that's wrong. Look at the MediaWiki user base - mostly at Wikipedia. These people do group management very very badly and freezing their bad ideas about it into code will make it worse. For years they have very serious governance problems, there are always big troll fights and "regime change" debates and flame wars, and "pogroms" and "witchhunts" and "purges". Comments on "what's really wrong" get censored by a group that doesn't want to hear it. | No, that's wrong. Look at the MediaWiki user base - mostly at Wikipedia. These people do group management very very badly and freezing their bad ideas about it into code will make it worse. For years they have very serious governance problems, there are always big troll fights and "regime change" debates and flame wars, and "pogroms" and "witchhunts" and "purges". Comments on "what's really wrong" get censored by a group that doesn't want to hear it. | ||
They just believe the plurality of contributors will keep the project alive well. the groups they have being: | :They just believe the plurality of contributors will keep the project alive well. | ||
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*User | ::There is lots of evidence against. Their belief is an ideology called [[neutral point of view]] which is ultimately assuming of market power relations (who has military power, has money, has ownership, has control). Serious people don't believe in it, unless they are fascists. Most experts would believe in a power struggle to define terms, and in [[factionally defined]] terms that permit [[faction]]s to take positions that let them resolve [[identity dispute]]s for themselves. The basis of this theory is [[conceptual metaphor]]. Visit that for the details. | ||
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*Developer | :the groups they have being: | ||
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:::The hierarchy which puts GodKing > Developer > Sysop > User > Anonymous > Trolls is the problem. It is a simple noxious "[[virtual community]]", i.e. a private domain where decisions are made by "owners" and technocrats who work for "owners". This is an entirely inappropriate power model for Consumerium. | |||
They just don't know what they're doing, and on MeatballWiki and such you can find people complaining about how stupid the Wikipedia people are about how to do real world group management. They're always the worst example, e.g. of GodKing or just being a libel pit where anyone can lie about anyone else without any consequences. They'll collapse the day some guy with lawyers notices what they have allowed to be said about him. Like go look at the Page History of the article on Mel Gibson!!! And Mel sues, for real... he even sues CHURCHES... | They just don't know what they're doing, and on MeatballWiki and such you can find people complaining about how stupid the Wikipedia people are about how to do real world group management. They're always the worst example, e.g. of GodKing or just being a libel pit where anyone can lie about anyone else without any consequences. They'll collapse the day some guy with lawyers notices what they have allowed to be said about him. Like go look at the Page History of the article on Mel Gibson!!! And Mel sues, for real... he even sues CHURCHES... | ||