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| 142, please provide specifics and references for these claims.
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| :Doing so for new claims; However, since lies, [[libel]] and [[echo chamber]] fraud are freely spread on [[vile mailing list]]s run by [[Wikimedia]] without any such specifics or references, it might be abusive to require such documentation from their opponents; most specific references are in the sub-articles using the most infamous [[Wikimedia]] clowns as the universal bad example for how not to do [[wiki governance]].
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| :Is [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2004-June/000365.html being blocked in China] evidence of corruption? hm. [[Trolls]] would say no, but, [[sysop power structure]] would have to respect China's [[power structure]] and their pet sysops who are their friends in fascist power plays. - [[w:User:Plato/red_faction|hail to the red faction]]! | |
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| The partially released [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2004-June/000370.html results] of the [[Wikimedia Board of Trustees]] "election" proves what [[trolls]] have always said: it is a front for the [[sysop power structure]]:
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| "The top 3 for contributing rep were:
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| Anthere 269
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| Eloquence 258 ([[Erik Moeller]])
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| Maveric149 163 (([[Daniel Mayer]])
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| The top 2 for for volunteer rep:
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| Angela 345 ([[Auntie Angela]])
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| Maveric149 159" ([[Daniel Mayer]])
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| Moved from [[Wikimedia corruption]]
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| *withholding full [[Wikimedia Board of Trustees]] election results from the voters! [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2004-June/000360.html apparently there will be NO release of figures (!), even on a sitewide basis, according to directives by Jimbo] the [[GodKing]] of Wikimedia and [[Bomis]]
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| ::This is not true. Imran and Danny have decided to not release full results apparently because some candidates wished they not be released. This has been critisized in the #wikipedia IRC channel recently and a plan is proposed that all results of those candidates who agree to releasing their votecounts would be released and those withholding would just look silly.
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| :::Sorry, this was true when written, and, full disclosure is full disclosure. What were they trying to hide? Whether they succeeded in hiding it or not. It appears they were trying to hide just how many cronies could use their cronyism to score high in this "election"
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| ::::After taking up the issue with Danny here are the full election results http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_results --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 14:48, 19 Jun 2004 (EEST)
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| *no [[independent board]] free of influence from [[Bomis.com]] - although [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2004-June/000371.html "two of the current trustees don't seem to be active Wikimedians"], those being [[sock puppet]] votes of [[Jimbo Wales]]: his employees at that corporation.
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| :#Jimbo no longer works for Bomis, thus he has no employees at Bomis
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| :#Michael Davis never worked there
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| :#Only Bomis employee on the board is Tim Shell
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| ::What absolute nonsense - Wales *OWNS* [[Bomis]]. And Davis has shares too apparently. This is a fairly transparent and bogus attempt to create a [[false front]] organization. And again, what are they hiding? Surely they realize they're doing something wrong, if they're quitting and pretending to set up these structures.
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| :::Ok. Ownership naturally leads to some power over current employees, but may I remind once again that it is not true that two of the [[independent board]] members work for Bomis.com, only Tim Shell works there
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| ''How about this: [http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16564]''
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| :"[[Daniel Mayer|Mayer]] said: "At Wikipedia the authors and administrators of our content enforce the GNU FDL by searching for infringes and contacting them. At first we use a friendly form letter, then a more sternly worded letter, and finally a very stern letter. Usually this works, but some web sites are still in breach - we are still trying to figure out what to do with them".
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| It turns out that Wikipedia.org keeps a list of all its "mirrors and forks" here.
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| He continued: "I'm one of the Wikipedia administrators who informed WordIQ that they were breaking the terms of our license by not providing a link back to the Wikipedia original and not mentioning that their copied version of our articles were licensed under terms of the GNU FDL. After some time they did finally provide the link-backs and the mention/link to the GNU FDL that we were asking for."
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| He added: "At Wikipedia we use a very liberal interpretation of the GNU FDL in order to make it easier for people to copy our content"."
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| :This is laughable. [[Wikipedia]] itself is in constant [[GFDL violation]], and the license does *not* require "links back to the Wikipedia original", it requires access to the source text version of the article, which Wikipedia itself does not provide to all users.
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| :[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copies_of_Wikipedia_content_(low_degree_of_compliance) here is a list of all the sites they bully and harass into making themselves the centre of the] [[GFDL corpus]] universe.
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| ''the following was added under''
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| *false claims added to [[Wikimedia]] article here, and true claims removed
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| ::Note that most false claims here have been made by [[142.177.X.X]] who seems to be on a personal vendetta on Wikipedia for banning him for persistent non-encyclopedic edits in the past
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| :::This is itself a false claim. Almost all material contributed by the 142 range has remained in the encyclopedia and passed several [[ad hominem delete]] tests - that is, many people agree it belongs. Whatever issues there are with this material, it's not it's lack of encyclopedic relevance. Whenever 142 or similar material is removed, it's almost always [[ad hominem revert]] or [[ad hominem delete]], that is, there is no valid reason to remove it at all, and requiring its removal is simply [[sysop vandalism]].
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| :::Furthermore, the "vendetta" is beyond anything personal at this point, and includes whole [[faction]]s such as the [[Wikipedia Red Faction]], and even some sympathetic sysops who we do not name so they will not be targetted.
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