User talk:N8chz

Pubwan is a nice set of links. Nice work. You should add Recyclopedia (a superset of Wikipedia that has a much better management paradigm) and Metaweb (working on new tools to process things like the Consumerium:intermediate page, in fact that idea came from them), and other essential projects and interesting projects we have listed.

It would be really ideal if you created a bunch of articles on these topics in particular:

• appropriate technology - an issue we've got into here lately, see audio and Consumerium buying signal and User:DanKeshet/scratchpad and the debate over Hardware requirements and the terminal devices.

• initial pubwan offering - any good self-funding or pilot ideas? How can this grow into healthy signal infrastructure ?
• large scale cataloging of package deals - like buying coops? We call these factions and support institutional buying criteria they share
• leveling the data mining playing field - we call this research wiki
• appliances
• community planning
• housing
• "environment" is something that should not exist, we are talking about specific comprehensive outcomes for various ecoregions and species, and w:public bads like deforestation or extinction.
• trailer park and semi trailer are intriguing - like a book bus?
• recruiting the Consumerium:contributor - which you call "information volunteer"

Please, though, we have enough abstract terminology! We don't need to talk about "virtual objects" and other such non-terms here. We need if anything to focus on the concretes, so your input at Consumerium User Stories, best cases, etc., is welcomed particularly.

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Hi N8chz,

Great to see you here. I've always been so happy to see your edits to voting systems articles on Wikipedia.

Peace,

DanKeshet

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Welcome to Consumerium N8czh. Pubwan is of high interest to us here at consumerium. Expecially the link to http://www.upcdatabase.com/ that you've provided might prove enormously valuable to Consumerium:Itself. I hope you enjoy contributing to our cause --Juxo 13:30, 13 Mar 2004 (EET)

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*large scale cataloging of package deals - like buying coops? We call these factions and support institutional buying criteria they share

Actually, what I (Lorraine Lee, aka n8chz) had in mind here is simply the linearization of nonlinear pricing schemes. I understand that pricing is not a primary concern of Consumerium. Prices are said to contain information, though. I can see how you do not want Consumerium to degenerate into a "shop bot."

Linearization of non-linear price schemes? Here in Finland where I live we have mandatory standardised pricing labeling in stores ie. there are the prices per litre or per kilogram in all labels, this makes price comparison much simpler. There might be some interest in doing price premium comparisons automatically, say imported flying tomatoes vs. nuclear greenhouse tomatoes vs. renewable energy greenhouse tomatoes, but we really don't want to get involved into price data security issues right now. --Juxo 13:58, 21 Mar 2004 (EET)

*recruiting the Consumerium:contributor - which you call "information volunteer"

My mama told me never to volunteer information. I don't see that strategy resulting in Consumerium or pubwan.

Wikipedia proves people will contribute if they care. It doesn't prove that anything worthwhile results. And the sysop vandalism and sysop vigilantiism could be worth here if we figure out the Consumerium Process wrong. One mistake they made at Wikipedia was not figuring out how they would ever get a print version out at the end!

Please, though, we have enough abstract terminology! We don't need to talk about "virtual objects" and other such non-terms here. We need if anything to focus on the concretes, so your input at Consumerium User Stories, best cases, etc., is welcomed particularly.

Sorry if I have confused. I too am confused, as I lack the vocabulary to describe the models I visualize, so I look up things. Sometimes the result is disappointing.

Well, we argue a lot about abstract terms here, for good reasons. We have to have an abstraction everywhere there's a choice. That's how coders think. So a Consumerium buying signal has an abstract name like "signal" since it might be print, audio, video displayed, compiled into a whole lot of such signals in a book, or even be used to brief people walking around encouraging and helping people to buy only green light products, and etc. So there is clearly an abstract signal which shoves all these people towards one type of product and away from another - that's "moral purchasing power" and it will move them in a different direction than plain old advertising. We can justify the abstraction by the power it gives.

Of your proposed signals, I prefer most your idea of compiling a whole lot of them in a book. That practice is sometimes referred to as aggregation.

I found a technical paper on this at http://www.gsm.uci.edu/~bakos/aig/aig.html, and it is also the basis of my proposal that interested persons try to de-package (informationally, at least) what I term "package deals," also known as "bundles."

There might be some interest in doing price premium comparisons automatically, say imported flying tomatoes vs. nuclear greenhouse tomatoes vs. renewable energy greenhouse tomatoes

I have a considerable amount of interest in the price premuim concept, since bundles of premiums are in effect what is offered in what you term a service economy.

but we really don't want to get involved into price data security issues right now.

I do, but that is pubwan, not consumerium. I must admit that I'm a little concerned that you see price data as a security issue. I view it as purely a transparency issue. It is my view that it is the many, not the few, who are stakeholders in price data, in the aggregate.

Pax, Lori (N8chz)

If you want the terminology, you may find Recyclopedia useful, as it has some subjects censored at Wikipedia that are essential to Consumerium and similar projects.