Editing Talk:Life exchange
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:Buy? Shares? Who sells them? Where can I '''buy''' them? | :Buy? Shares? Who sells them? Where can I '''buy''' them? | ||
::Right now you do it by donating, and you get maybe prestige for that. Separate from | ::Right now you do it by donating, and you get maybe prestige for that. Separate from at you can bet on it by buying derivative products based on insurance portfolios, that can be made easier... | ||
Shares and options and futures and other instruments can be created to mirror the various risks to life that [[campaign]]s are trying to protect. To buy in to a campaign, you can either buy a share in the campaign (which is a bet that the campaign will increase the value of the life affected by the activity that the campaign targets, which you consider worth doing for itself - like a tradeable donation) or in some derivative of the campaign (like a fixed deadline at which point the success of the campaign in raising the value of some life will be assessed and you will be paid some premium for predicting that rise). | Shares and options and futures and other instruments can be created to mirror the various risks to life that [[campaign]]s are trying to protect. To buy in to a campaign, you can either buy a share in the campaign (which is a bet that the campaign will increase the value of the life affected by the activity that the campaign targets, which you consider worth doing for itself - like a tradeable donation) or in some derivative of the campaign (like a fixed deadline at which point the success of the campaign in raising the value of some life will be assessed and you will be paid some premium for predicting that rise). | ||
:Premium? Premium from what? Where does the money come from? What does a [[campaign]] have to do with money? [[Campaign]]s are about opinions and facts to convince other people that the opinion is constructive. | :Premium? Premium from what? Where does the money come from? What does a [[campaign]] have to do with money? [[Campaign]]s are about opinions and facts to convince other people that the opinion is constructive. | ||
::In my experience that takes at least seed funds to get things done on a schedule. Premium can be paid by those betting on the rise, see [[w:prediction market] | ::In my experience that takes at least seed funds to get things done on a schedule. Premium can be paid by those betting on the rise, see [[w:prediction market]]. This is well understood territory now. | ||
A combination of the two approaches makes donations and bets on the success of the campaign work together more closely, and provides accurate feedback on probability of success: betters don't care if the campaign succeeds so their bets tell you objectively what the odds are to see if you are impressing or scaring anyone with the campaign; shareholders do care if the campaign succeeds because they get prestige and possibly a payoff of some kind out of it. | A combination of the two approaches makes donations and bets on the success of the campaign work together more closely, and provides accurate feedback on probability of success: betters don't care if the campaign succeeds so their bets tell you objectively what the odds are to see if you are impressing or scaring anyone with the campaign; shareholders do care if the campaign succeeds because they get prestige and possibly a payoff of some kind out of it. | ||
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:Prestige. Perhaps, but it's more about putting our heads together and figuring out how to slow down or stop negative cycles and accelerate positive ones. | :Prestige. Perhaps, but it's more about putting our heads together and figuring out how to slow down or stop negative cycles and accelerate positive ones. | ||
::I'd say it's more about does the red light or the green light go on, when you swipe the products on your supermarket shelf or boyfriend's cupboard? | ::I'd say it's more about does the red light or the green light go on, when you swipe the products on your supermarket shelf or boyfriend's cupboard? Thas the point of the Greenpeace link. | ||
So, betting on/against campaigns reveals price of life, buying shares in them increases price of life that the campaign is pointing out the bad effects to. | So, betting on/against campaigns reveals price of life, buying shares in them increases price of life that the campaign is pointing out the bad effects to. | ||
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:Ok. I believe this but did he research how much of this [[GGP]] comes from renewable and unrenewable resources? That would be an interesting fact. | :Ok. I believe this but did he research how much of this [[GGP]] comes from renewable and unrenewable resources? That would be an interesting fact. | ||
::Not really, the [[w:natural capital]] theory says it doesn't matter as much as people used to think. Mostly because substitutes are found for anything that is unrenewable. Focus should be on ecology risk | ::Not really, the [[w:natural capital]] theory says it doesn't matter as much as people used to think. Mostly because substitutes are found for anything that is unrenewable. Focus should be on ecology risk. | ||
:Interesting research into ecological aspects of production can be found at http://www.factor10-institute.org/MIPSlong.htm MIPS stands for Material Input Per Service Unit. Friedrch Schmidt-Bleek has written some interesting books about it. His view is that energy is not a issue but material displacement is. | :Interesting research into ecological aspects of production can be found at http://www.factor10-institute.org/MIPSlong.htm MIPS stands for Material Input Per Service Unit. Friedrch Schmidt-Bleek has written some interesting books about it. His view is that energy is not a issue but material displacement is. | ||
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[http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/twelve_leverage_points] [http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/governance], [http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/board]. | [http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/twelve_leverage_points] [http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/governance], [http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/board]. | ||
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I read the diff on this and it's slowly starting to make sense. Campaigners don't get any money, they get a chance to convince people to use their [[purchasing power]] in a constructive and less harmful way, whereas companies that are quicker to adapt to the needs and desires of the (information enhanced) marketplace grab profits. | I read the diff on this and it's slowly starting to make sense. Campaigners don't get any money, they get a chance to convince people to use their [[purchasing power]] in a constructive and less harmful way, whereas companies that are quicker to adapt to the needs and desires of the (information enhanced) marketplace grab profits. e.g. If using [[textile]]s (which make up 8% of [[GGP]]) produced in dignified work places suddenly became highly fashionable, then those manufacturers who have invested in making their factory a nice place to work in would cash-in on the rising demand. [[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 22:49 Apr 14, 2003 (EEST) | ||
e.g. If using [[textile]]s (which make up 8% of [[GGP]]) produced in dignified work places suddenly became highly fashionable, then those manufacturers who have invested in making their factory a nice place to work in would cash-in on the rising demand. [[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 22:49 Apr 14, 2003 (EEST) | |||