Editing Talk:Sysops are trolls

I have to say that I don't see any sense in this article, but otoh who'd expect something to make sense in these times. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 21:15, 25 Jan 2005 (EET)

:First, stop censoring talk.  It is rude.

:Second, there is MUCH dispute about "what is a troll" and "what are the rightful powers of a sysop".  Notably [[Larry Sanger]] had a lot to say on this just recently.  And [[w:Wikipedia:troll]] and [[w:Internet troll]] and so on, leave LOTS of doubt as to what the hell this word means.

:As for the distinction:

:It matters mostly because, if sysops are trolls, then it is not a requirement for trolls to avoid [[technological escalation]], and so, such [[trolls nest]] tactics as [[SOLLOG]] [[POV warrior]]s use at [[wikipediasucks.com]] are fair game.  If sysops are not trolls, however, then the distinction between them ''must be'' this use of technology the other side doesn't have ([[vandalbot]], [[delete page]] and [[undelete page]]), and so true [[trolls]] would then be obligated not to use it, or else they'd drop to the moral level of sysops.  The distinction is a moral one, mostly:  Can trolls behave like sysops without becoming just as bad?

:The distinction would clarify whether [[sysop vandalism]] is a subset of [[troll vandalism]], or if they are totally separate things that have a [[dialectic]] or tension with each other.  If they have such tension, then sysops might be able to collaborate with trolls on some important issues like getting [[Consumerium governance]] properly defined.