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And a real-live-person DTD is critical to ensure that anyone who participates in an '''extremely offensive''' production process (or is clearly responsible for spreading something like [http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=SARS SARS] and contributing to a [http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Toronto_respiratory_health_crisis major crisis] now affecting all humans) can be excluded across all of a buyer's purchasing decisions, '''regardless''' of what facade companies or front groups are in use for them to hide behind.  A small number of individuals tend to be involved in decisions that lead to Indonesian rainforest devastation, or similar problems in Brazil and Congo.  These people must be identified and very reliably targetted so that their participation becomes poisonous to any commercial effort anywhere in the world, and others get the message that they will economically suffer if their name is linked in any way to ecologically devastating activity.
'''Sorry. This is propably impossible for anyone else then [[User:Juxo|me]] and [[142.177.X.X]] to follow this rambling. But no stress, go to [[Identifying people]] to see what we've battled out so far.'''
 
''actually, some are still in the process of wondering what DTD means and implies...''
 
And a real-live-person DTD is critical to ensure that anyone who participates in an '''extremely offensive''' production process  
 
now affecting all humans) can be excluded across all of a buyer's purchasing decisions,  
'''regardless''' of what facade companies or front groups are in use for them to hide behind.  A small number of individuals tend to be involved in decisions that lead to Indonesian rainforest devastation, or similar problems in Brazil and Congo.  These people must be identified and very reliably targetted so that their participation becomes poisonous to any commercial effort anywhere in the world, and others get the message that they will economically suffer if their name is linked in any way to ecologically devastating activity.


:Whoa. Hold your horses.  
:Whoa. Hold your horses.  
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You cannot take bad people and make them good people by negotiation or force.  Once a company exists its DNA is set, it can only be replaced not "fixed".  Like any other lower animal...
You cannot take bad people and make them good people by negotiation or force.  Once a company exists its DNA is set, it can only be replaced not "fixed".  Like any other lower animal...


#) Start an [[endorsment]] on it's companies providing replacement products for the evil company's products
#) Start an [[endorsement]] on it's companies providing replacement products for the evil company's products


:Here there is room for negotiation.  And more complex transaction than just "don't buy", it could be a number (of cents more you pay for a tolerable product), or it could actually direct you to anothe product that is a best price/morality tradeoff.  Then you are talking about more than a binary destroy/not outcome.
:Here there is room for negotiation.  And more complex transaction than just "don't buy", it could be a number (of cents more you pay for a tolerable product), or it could actually direct you to anothe product that is a best price/morality tradeoff.  Then you are talking about more than a binary destroy/not outcome.


:: and the [[Hardware Requirements|infrastructure]] to transport their information to [[consumer]]s. Then it's up to the [[consumer]]s to [[feedback|communicate]] their feelings to producers with [[words or wallets]] or both.
:: and the [[Hardware Requirements|infrastructure]] to transport their information to [[consumer]]s. Then it's up to the [[consumer]]s to [[feedback|communicate]] their feelings to producers with [[words or wallets]] or both.
:::Still requires my personal morality, idea of "evil", to be expressed in [[XML]] so that things I consider evil can turn on "green light" or "red light" on the shelf.  The fact that I considered but did not buy from that seller can be communicated directly, or later with details, or never.  Up to me.  But I am not reading or writing an essay for every single purchase.  I want to pre-load preferences and never see things that don't satisfy requirements online, and on the shelf, I want just the "OK/not" (i.e. "buyable/EVIL") signal.
:::Still requires my personal morality, idea of "evil", to be expressed in [[XML]] so that things I consider evil can turn on [[green light]] or [[red light]] on the shelf.  The fact that I considered but did not buy from that seller can be communicated directly, or later with details, or never.  Up to me.  But I am not reading or writing an essay for every single purchase.  I want to pre-load preferences and never see things that don't satisfy requirements online, and on the shelf, I want just the "OK/not" (i.e. "buyable/EVIL") signal.


::::Well. Either you have to choose some [[authority]] you [[trust]] (let me take a wild guess: Greenpeace) and let them decide on this matter or you can browse all available information and make decisions yourself.  
::::Well. Either you have to choose some [[authority]] you [[trust]] (let me take a wild guess: Greenpeace) and let them decide on this matter or you can browse all available information and make decisions yourself.  
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::I counted one full minute (60 seconds), and then came here to tell you.
::I counted one full minute (60 seconds), and then came here to tell you.
:::I counted one full month, then more, but forget to tell you.  Time to start linking stuff to it!  It is really quite good (troll preens).


Other Trolls are also invited to attempt the above.
Other Trolls are also invited to attempt the above.
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