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    *[[Wikipedia]] has a mixed structure where the [[sysop power structure]] self-regulates, ineffectively, resulting in the [[sysop vandalism]] and [[sysop vandal point of view]] mostly dominating [[wiki management]] and [[wiki governance]] debate.  Without the power to '''undelete page'''s it becomes difficult or impossible to participate in an [[edit war]] against those who do have it, reinforcing the [[Wikimedia]] [[cabal]].
    *[[Wikipedia]] has a mixed structure where the [[sysop power structure]] self-regulates, ineffectively, resulting in the [[sysop vandalism]] and [[sysop vandal point of view]] mostly dominating [[wiki management]] and [[wiki governance]] debate.  Without the power to '''undelete page'''s it becomes difficult or impossible to participate in an [[edit war]] against those who do have it, reinforcing the [[Wikimedia]] [[cabal]].


    *[[Anarchopedia]] distributes the power to '''undelete page'''s to all users, so that there is effectively no [[sysop power structure]] at all;  [[ad hominem delete]] is this only very slightly more powerful than [[ad hominem revert]] as a means of curtailing debate, and no user can actually gain much power over any other in an [[edit war]].
    *[[Anarcopedia]] distributes the power to '''undelete page'''s to all users, so that there is effectively no [[sysop power structure]] at all;  [[ad hominem delete]] is this only very slightly more powerful than [[ad hominem revert]] as a means of curtailing debate, and no user can actually gain much power over any other in an [[edit war]].


    It is very likely that [[Consumerium Services]] would adopt very different policies for each of its [[Wikis]].  For instance:
    It is very likely that [[Consumerium Services]] would adopt very different policies for each of its [[Wikis]].  For instance:
    *the [[Develop Wiki]] could remain an Anarchopedia-style [[anarchize]]d free-for-all, in keeping with the [[free software]] ideal, so [[anyone can undelete]] in this [[wiki]].
    *the [[Develop Wiki]] could remain an Anarcopedia-style [[anarchize]]d free-for-all, in keeping with the [[free software]] ideal, so [[anyone can undelete]] in this [[wiki]].
    *[[Research Wiki]] might need to be run more like [[Wikipedia]] with a [[sysop power structure]] or [[bureaucracy]] that must [[refer]] any [[factionally defined term]]s (like "[[trolls]]") and [[defer]] to formal [[faction]] [[representative democracy]] to augment or replace the [[Pointy Haired Boss]] or [[GodKing]] who might still exist for legal reasons - to answer to [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] for ''only'' [[liability]] issues.  Unlike [[Wikipedia]] [[power user]]s could not delete the page entirely from view - it would simply be "demoted" to [[development]] status where [[disclaimer]]s would apply;  [[page name conflict]] would be resolved in some way that made it instantly obvious one could find the page and so '''undelete''' it by putting it back up as [[research]]
    *[[Research Wiki]] might need to be run more like [[Wikipedia]] with a [[sysop power structure]] or [[bureaucracy]] that must [[refer]] any [[factionally defined term]]s (like "[[trolls]]") and [[defer]] to formal [[faction]] [[representative democracy]] to augment or replace the [[Pointy Haired Boss]] or [[GodKing]] who might still exist for legal reasons - to answer to [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] for ''only'' [[liability]] issues.  Unlike [[Wikipedia]] [[power user]]s could not delete the page entirely from view - it would simply be "demoted" to [[development]] status where [[disclaimer]]s would apply;  [[page name conflict]] would be resolved in some way that made it instantly obvious one could find the page and so '''undelete''' it by putting it back up as [[research]]
    *authorized [[Publish Wiki]] users might need an ability to simply [[delete page]]s that are controversially forwarded to it from the [[Research Wiki]] until [[legal counsel]] can clear or vet them - this would not delete the page entirely from view as it would remain visible as [[research]], so again any user could retrieve/restore that and so easily '''undelete page'''s.
    *authorized [[Publish Wiki]] users might need an ability to simply [[delete page]]s that are controversially forwarded to it from the [[Research Wiki]] until [[legal counsel]] can clear or vet them - this would not delete the page entirely from view as it would remain visible as [[research]], so again any user could retrieve/restore that and so easily '''undelete page'''s.


    It is not clear if a [[one wiki model]] can do this at all or if it could have any policy that would satisfy every [[faction]].
    It is not clear if a [[one wiki model]] can do this at all or if it could have any policy that would satisfy every [[faction]].

    Latest revision as of 13:58, 12 April 2021

    The ability to undelete pages is the ability to undo a delete page decision.

    Allocation of this technological power is a central power struggle in neutral point of view vs. New Troll point of view and in the prevention of sysop vandalism. There are starkly different views of it across different large public wikis:

    It is very likely that Consumerium Services would adopt very different policies for each of its Wikis. For instance:

    It is not clear if a one wiki model can do this at all or if it could have any policy that would satisfy every faction.