https://develop.consumerium.org/w/index.php?title=Trolls&feed=atom&action=historyTrolls - Revision history2024-03-29T08:53:26ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.6https://develop.consumerium.org/w/index.php?title=Trolls&diff=42176&oldid=prevJukeboksi: adding image File:Trollboele.jpg2013-10-31T19:30:11Z<p>adding image <a href="/wiki/File:Trollboele.jpg" title="File:Trollboele.jpg">File:Trollboele.jpg</a></p>
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</table>Jukeboksihttps://develop.consumerium.org/w/index.php?title=Trolls&diff=13520&oldid=prev207.44.154.35: another view2004-09-08T00:28:22Z<p>another view</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The role of '''trolls''' in [[Consumerium]] is unclear. There is not even an agreement on what is a [[troll]] and what they generally do. What is clear is that some think it is insulting to call someone a troll, and others take pride in being trolls, or called trolls. If you read "[[Trolls]] believe..." or "[[Trolls]] request..." or other use of "'''trolls'''" as a [[pronoun]], that is a sure sign you are dealing with someone who self-identifies with trolls. Such people can be assumed to share IP numbers to get around blocks, to freely offer passwords to each other, quote each others texts without any attribution, and to [[foment ambiguity]] in ways that make it simply impossible to tell "who wrote what", at least [[beyond a reasonable doubt]].</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The role of '''trolls''' in [[Consumerium]] is unclear. There is not even an agreement on what is a [[troll]] and what they generally do. What is clear is that some think it is insulting to call someone a troll, and others take pride in being trolls, or called trolls. If you read "[[Trolls]] believe..." or "[[Trolls]] request..." or other use of "'''trolls'''" as a [[pronoun]], that is a sure sign you are dealing with someone who self-identifies with trolls. Such people can be assumed to share IP numbers to get around blocks, to freely offer passwords to each other, quote each others texts without any attribution, and to [[foment ambiguity]] in ways that make it simply impossible to tell "who wrote what", at least [[beyond a reasonable doubt<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]]. They can also be assumed to be a single person who is simply too cowardly to take responsibility for anything he says; see [http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/index.php?title=Craig_Hubley&oldid=5060 the pre-censorship version] of [[Craig Hubley]] for one such assumption, probably by a bunch of [[witch hunt|corrupt Wikimedian sysop-vandals</ins>]].</div></td></tr>
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</table>207.44.154.35https://develop.consumerium.org/w/index.php?title=Trolls&diff=5075&oldid=prevSupport a unified GFDL Corpus at 06:17, 15 August 20042004-08-15T06:17:59Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The role of '''trolls''' in [[Consumerium]] is unclear. There is not even an agreement on what is a [[troll]] and what they generally do. What is clear is that some think it is insulting to call someone a troll, and others take pride in being trolls, or called trolls. If you read "[[Trolls]] believe..." or "[[Trolls]] request..." or other use of "'''trolls'''" as a [[pronoun]], that is a sure sign you are dealing with someone who self-identifies with trolls. Such people can be assumed to share IP numbers to get around blocks, to freely offer passwords to each other, quote each others texts without any attribution, and to [[foment ambiguity]] in ways that make it simply impossible to tell "who wrote what", at least [[beyond a reasonable doubt]].</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The role of '''trolls''' in [[Consumerium]] is unclear. There is not even an agreement on what is a [[troll]] and what they generally do. What is clear is that some think it is insulting to call someone a troll, and others take pride in being trolls, or called trolls. If you read "[[Trolls]] believe..." or "[[Trolls]] request..." or other use of "'''trolls'''" as a [[pronoun]], that is a sure sign you are dealing with someone who self-identifies with trolls. Such people can be assumed to share IP numbers to get around blocks, to freely offer passwords to each other, quote each others texts without any attribution, and to [[foment ambiguity]] in ways that make it simply impossible to tell "who wrote what", at least [[beyond a reasonable doubt]].</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The article on [[w:Internet troll|Internet <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">troll (Wikipedia)</del>]] seems to say "a troll is a pest" and assumes [[psychiatry]] applies (that the sysop can tell what the motivation of the troll is, amazingly). However, the [[m:troll|troll (Meta-Wikipedia)]] article seems to say that trolls serve an important [[audit]] role, by driving bad contributors out of a project, or harassing stupid ideas to death, or just generally knowing how a project can evolve to work better. ''There is more on this in [[Talk:urban ecology]].''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Wikipedia </ins>article on [[w:Internet troll|Internet <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">trolls</ins>]] seems to say "a troll is a pest" and assumes [[psychiatry]] applies (that the sysop can tell what the motivation of the troll is, amazingly). However, the [[m:troll|troll (Meta-Wikipedia)]] article seems to say that trolls serve an important [[audit]] role, by driving bad contributors out of a project, or harassing stupid ideas to death, or just generally knowing how a project can evolve to work better. ''There is more on this in [[Talk:urban ecology]].''</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Regarding the impact of such collective anonymous trolling, there is just no agreement at all. What one thinks tends to depend on what one feels about:</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Regarding the impact of such collective anonymous trolling, there is just no agreement at all. What one thinks tends to depend on what one feels about:</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[identifying people]] - a [[sysop]] usually tries to identify a [[troll]], by [[outing]], but <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a troll </del>usually insists on staying anonymous or ambiguous<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[identifying people]] - a [[sysop]] usually tries to identify a [[troll]], by [[outing]], but <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">trolls </ins>usually insists on staying anonymous or ambiguous<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, and may [[foment ambiguity]]</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[reputation]] - <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a troll </del>usually <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">thinks </del>reputation leads to stupidity</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[reputation]] - <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">trolls </ins>usually <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">think </ins>reputation leads to stupidity<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, or that reputation is evidence of stupidity, or that reputation *is* stupidity or the universal excuse for it</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The article on [[w:Internet troll|Internet troll (Wikipedia)]] seems to say <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">they are pests</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">but </del>the [[m:troll|troll (Meta-Wikipedia)]] article seems to say <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">they </del>serve an important [[audit]] role, by driving bad contributors out of a project, or harassing stupid ideas to death, or just generally knowing how a project can evolve to work better. ''There is more on this in [[Talk:urban ecology]].''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The article on [[w:Internet troll|Internet troll (Wikipedia)]] seems to say <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"a troll is a pest" and assumes [[psychiatry]] applies (that the sysop can tell what the motivation of the troll is, amazingly). However</ins>, the [[m:troll|troll (Meta-Wikipedia)]] article seems to say <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">that trolls </ins>serve an important [[audit]] role, by driving bad contributors out of a project, or harassing stupid ideas to death, or just generally knowing how a project can evolve to work better. ''There is more on this in [[Talk:urban ecology]].''</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The role of '''trolls''' in [[Consumerium]] is unclear. There is not even an agreement on what is a [[troll]] and what they generally do. What is clear is that some think it is insulting to call someone a troll, and others take pride in being trolls, or called trolls. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">There </del>is just no <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">agremeent </del>at all. What one thinks tends to depend on what one feels about:</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The role of '''trolls''' in [[Consumerium]] is unclear. There is not even an agreement on what is a [[troll]] and what they generally do. What is clear is that some think it is insulting to call someone a troll, and others take pride in being trolls, or called trolls. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">If you read "[[Trolls]] believe..." or "[[Trolls]] request..." or other use of "'''trolls'''" as a [[pronoun]], that is a sure sign you are dealing with someone who self-identifies with trolls. Such people can be assumed to share IP numbers to get around blocks, to freely offer passwords to each other, quote each others texts without any attribution, and to [[foment ambiguity]] in ways that make it simply impossible to tell "who wrote what", at least [[beyond a reasonable doubt]].</ins></div></td></tr>
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