Editing Talk:Recyclopedia

Given that there is persistent censorship of socially responsible and green concepts at [[Wikipedia]], and it seems to be getting worse not better, at least according to Abe Sokolov, perhaps it is time to designate Recyclopedia as our source for general concept articles?  They will not be censoring critical concepts because they don't get 1000 google hits when a fascist goes to look, at least.

And, they could use the traffic.  At the very least we should recommend it, not Wikipedia, on the [[front page]]

''Actually, they can't use the traffic, given that their bandwidth seems to have been exceeded for several weeks now.''

Is the Recyclopedia content mirrored anywhere? Could someone ask them for MySQL dumps?

:Not to my knowledge. All I know that the Sysop, Bureaucrat of Recyclopedia is called Bobo and he may be contacted on [[w:Talk:Recyclopedia]] or [[Wikinfo]]. If someone could get a hold of him, we'd be glad to have a copy of Recyclopedia materials --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 18:10, 25 Apr 2004 (EEST)

:"Formed as a reaction to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is controlled by an elite of SysOps and their cronies who heavily moderate the kind of things that Recyclopedia is interested in. Recyclopedia is being much more careful to avoid this systematic bias.

:The creator of this project, bobo (at) enzyme dot org dot nz, whilst having started this project has been busy with other activities and it seems to have taken a life of its own, particularly due to several individuals in particular who are driving it in their own direction."

::Ahhh. We have an email address to ask for mysqldumps... But who'd want to set it up again is a different question. And with fresh MediaWiki, not some crap GetWiki that violates GPL in many people's view.

:::GetWiki doesn't violate GPL any worse than [[Wikipedia]] violates [[GFDL]].  And, the GetWiki facility to fix damaged articles was and is excellent, and was and is the best thing for the [[GFDL Corpus]] in general.  There is no chance that [[MediaWiki]], controlled by [[Wikimedia]], will make it easier to fix up articles damaged by their cabal.  Their [[XML import]] facility is inferior to the GetWiki "leech" facility.  So if anything a GPL version of that facility is required.

:::And, why would someone bring up [[Recyclopedia]] again just to see it hacked off the net illegally by people who consider themselves above the law, again?  This is even EASIER for them to do if [[MediaWiki]] is the [[wiki code]] in use, since they are experts at [[MediaWiki bot]]s, since they use them all the time, and control both sides of the equation (the wiki code and the bot code).

:::It would make more sense to build leeching [[wiki code]] based on [[MoinMoin]] or [[tikiwiki]], with a parser for the [[wikitext standard]], which would be immune to [[MediaWiki bot]] attacks, away from [[Wikimedia]]'s influence, and able to actually be run without interference democratically.  Oh, and by operators who will complain to authorities of [[cyberterror]] when they are hit by [[denial of service attack]], and get the perpetrators arrested.

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Here's a bet worth taking:  take any dozen non-policy articles from Recyclopedia, and have actual academics working on the state of the art in the field compare them to their English Wikipedia equivalents if any.  Do you think the Wikipedia version, or the Recyclopedia version, would be more representative of actual current state of the field, in the opinion of people who have nothing to do with [[Wikimedia]], and don't know which is "official"?

[[Trolls]] bet that the Recyclopedia scores at least 9/12, and that the Wikipedia versions will be known to contain several obvious fatal errors and omissions that make them unsuitable for distribution to ordinary people, as they are misleading.

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It's not a violation to require a password.  It's a violation to require a password AND not provide a .ZIP file of all the GFDL material that was contributed at that URL.  If any of that is extended, it must be released under GFDL as well, in the same .ZIP.  Per-file release would be technically required under the GFDL too, but, let's face it, [[Wikipedia]] doesn't do that either to all IP addresses, so with their bad example Recyclopedia will likely cheat too.

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Apparently there is actually no operative web service there now.  However, you can't trust anything written about Recyclopedia by [[Wikimedia]] people.  If you look at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Recyclopedia&action=history page history] you see all the usual suspects:

(cur) (last)  . . m 23:20, 10 May 2004 . . Angela (delink) 
(cur) (last)  . . 23:34, 8 May 2004 . . Sam Spade (wikilink) 
(cur) (last)  . . 23:47, 12 Apr 2004 . . Guaka (Bandwidth Limit Exceeded) 
(cur) (last)  . . m 21:20, 12 Apr 2004 . . Hephaestos (rm vfd notice) 
(cur) (last)  . . m 03:10, 3 Apr 2004 . . Guaka (Home page -> * [http://recyclopedia.info recyclopedia.info]) 
(cur) (last)  . . 02:31, 3 Apr 2004 . . Camembert (remove a sentence which doesn't seem very significant (several things are on the main page, these don't stand out particularly), rewrite a little bit) 
(cur) (last)  . . 02:02, 3 Apr 2004 . . Btag (delete!) 
(cur) (last)  . . 01:58, 3 Apr 2004 . . Camembert (make link live again (see talk), format) 
(cur) (last)  . . 22:58, 2 Apr 2004 . . Jamesday (I suggest that you look at the contributions of 142.177.*.* (known as EntmootsOfTrolls here)at their recent changes - it's a regular contributor there, from Halifax, CA, who chooses not to log in.) 
(cur) (last)  . . 12:26, 2 Apr 2004 . . Guaka (made link live again (an anonymous users' talk page at Rec. cannot be a reason to make the link dead!)) 
(cur) (last)  . . 12:05, 2 Apr 2004 . . Jamesday (Made link non-live. Seems little reason to raise the google rank of a site which plans to send trolls our way. See http://recyclopedia.info/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:210.87.254.41 .) 
(cur) (last)  . . 03:46, 2 Apr 2004 . . Atag (looks like Oosterman has visited occasionally, interesting ext. link) 
(cur) (last)  . . m 03:27, 2 Apr 2004 . . Angela (delink deleted page) 
(cur) (last)  . . 03:22, 2 Apr 2004 . . Atag (added description of project leadership, removed excessively long statement of goals copied from main page, removed quote about sysops -- unknown attribution) 
(cur) (last)  . . m 16:04, 29 Mar 2004 . . Vespristiano (Wording change in the first sentence) 
(cur) (last)  . . 14:57, 29 Mar 2004 . . Hephaestos (if they are indeed affiliated, please revert me) 
(cur) (last)  . . 14:49, 29 Mar 2004 . . Tim Starling (runs on GetWiki, which is MediaWiki with a different code formatting style and one extra file) 
(cur) (last)  . . m 14:29, 29 Mar 2004 . . Guaka (+nl) 
(cur) (last)  . . 14:21, 29 Mar 2004 . . Guaka ([[Disinfopedia]] and [[Consumerium]] are related Mediawiki projects.) 
(cur) (last)  . . m 14:18, 29 Mar 2004 . . Guaka 
(cur) (last)  . . 14:14, 29 Mar 2004 . . Guaka (start) 

There are so many liars on that list who were involved directly in the attacks that it's fairly obvious why the article exists:  to justify [[denial of service attack]] with irrelevant arguments and claims about who was involved.  As if that justifies anything.  Notice [[User:Atag]] makes a showing again, and "added description of project leadership" which are the standard names of standard people they hate and blame everything on.  Notice also the "removed quote about sysops"!  Obvious why they'd remove that.  This is more evidence that this "Atag" was the one doing the attacks (release his IP number, please, s/he deserves no more protection than [[trolls]] claim when they comment here).

If Recyclopedia was actually anarchist, wouldn't it have NO "leadership"?  Someone is lying about being an anarchist!