https://develop.consumerium.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:Main Page - Revision history2024-03-29T11:00:47ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.6https://develop.consumerium.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=42022&oldid=prevJukeboksi: Full database backup with backup loadability verification performed yesterday 2013-07-102013-07-11T15:06:11Z<p>Full database backup with backup loadability verification performed yesterday 2013-07-10</p>
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</table>Jukeboksihttps://develop.consumerium.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=13403&oldid=prevJarlaxleArtemis at 10:44, 1 July 20052005-07-01T10:44:57Z<p></p>
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</table>JarlaxleArtemishttps://develop.consumerium.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=11185&oldid=prev142.177.6.204: protect this page! it will discourage newcomers to see only spam on the Main Page2005-01-29T22:26:38Z<p>protect this page! it will discourage newcomers to see only spam on the <a href="/wiki/Main_Page" title="Main Page">Main Page</a></p>
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</table>Jukeboksihttps://develop.consumerium.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=8946&oldid=prevJukeboksi: The MediaWiki this wiki is using is now updated to 1.3.5 and everything seems to be working. Pls report any problems / changes in behaviour2004-10-08T15:36:18Z<p>The MediaWiki this wiki is using is now updated to 1.3.5 and everything seems to be working. Pls report any problems / changes in behaviour</p>
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</table>69.196.188.191https://develop.consumerium.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=3836&oldid=prev142.177.92.16: see interwiki link standard2004-04-02T23:57:15Z<p>see <a href="/wiki/Interwiki_link_standard" title="Interwiki link standard">interwiki link standard</a></p>
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</table>142.177.92.16https://develop.consumerium.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=3439&oldid=prev146.101.66.159 at 23:54, 2 April 20042004-04-02T23:54:19Z<p></p>
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</table>146.101.66.159https://develop.consumerium.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=3438&oldid=prev142.177.103.226: discussion should be at What Consumerium needs first, then we need multiple main pages, and a decent front page at http://consumerium.org - which New Trolls are welcome to prototype!2004-03-10T20:50:04Z<p>discussion should be at <a href="/wiki/What_Consumerium_needs" title="What Consumerium needs">What Consumerium needs</a> first, then we need multiple main pages, and a decent front page at http://consumerium.org - which <a href="/w/index.php?title=New_Trolls&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="New Trolls (page does not exist)">New Trolls</a> are welcome to prototype!</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I'm new and don't want to step on toes by editing the main page, esp. if I have a different vision of what this should be. Do you mind if I give it a go and you can revert? Or should I discuss this somewhere else? [[User:DanKeshet|DanKeshet]] 22:08, 10 Mar 2004 (EET)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I'm new and don't want to step on toes by editing the main page, esp. if I have a different vision of what this should be. Do you mind if I give it a go and you can revert? Or should I discuss this somewhere else? [[User:DanKeshet|DanKeshet]] 22:08, 10 Mar 2004 (EET)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Please </del>do ''not'' edit the [[Main Page]] of the [[Development Wiki]] to focus on end user concerns. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">This should be at http://consumerium.org itself - the REAL front page. The user doesn't want </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">become a wiki contributor to look up information </del>such <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">as you note. Right now all that is there is an ad for Wikipedia that assumes you already know what a "wiki" is, etc., which drives away most </del>users. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">It MUST change, and it MUST change NOW. So if you want to prototype an HTML page for http://consumerium.org that would be very very welcome. There's some comment on it here, do a search or two, it has some non-obvious name like "things to do"</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">We welcome [[trolls]] and encourage the [[New Troll point of view]]. So please [[be bold]]. But keep scope in mind. As one [[troll]] to another, we ask you please </ins>do ''not'' edit the [[Main Page]] of the [[Development Wiki]] to focus on end user concerns. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Its purpose is not </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">serve </ins>such <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">end </ins>users. </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Long run, there are three different groups </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">serve, so </del>there <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">must be </del>a <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[Main Page User]]</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[Main Page Researcher]] </del>and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Main Page Developer</del>]]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </del>and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">also a [[Main Page Troll]] possibly</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> </del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">What you're asking for should be at http://consumerium.org itself - the REAL front page. The user generally doesn't want to become a wiki contributor </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">look up information such as you note. Right now all that is </ins>there <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">is an ad for Wikipedia that assumes you already know what </ins>a <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"wiki" is, etc., which drives away most users. It MUST change</ins>, and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">it MUST change quickly - it's driving people away. So if you want to prototype an HTML page for http://consumerium.org that would be very very welcome. There's some comment on this at </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">What Consumerium needs</ins>]] and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">that's the best place to discuss it</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Notice at [[Meta-Wikipedia]], a similar situation, you have a main page that is basically for developers and frequent contributors, and to find the stuff of general interest there's a subpage [[Main Page Neutral]] (neutral as to the interests it serves).</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:As for this page, we are still trying to find people who share the development goals, and don't have enough. If you think it can lay out the overall problem better, go ahead, but we really don't have a separate [[Signal Wiki]] (for signals we are sending out officially) or [[Research Wiki]] (for views we are compiling) yet, which is what you would want to be looking at. And which just doesn't exist yet, we have few [[Consumerium:intermediate page]]s even, and no format for most of them. We're working on it. Please help us.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I find this front page absolutely overwhelming. All of your ideas re: signals in supermarkets are cool, but, frankly, when I arrived here, I hoped I could just find a list of companies, and quickly research whether, if I buy sneakers from Adidas, will I be supporting child slavery, etc. I'm new and don't want to step on toes by editing the main page, esp. if I have a different vision of what this should be. Do you mind if I give it a go and you can revert? Or should I discuss this somewhere else? [[User:DanKeshet|DanKeshet]] 22:08, 10 Mar 2004 (EET)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I find this front page absolutely overwhelming. All of your ideas re: signals in supermarkets are cool, but, frankly, when I arrived here, I hoped I could just find a list of companies, and quickly research whether, if I buy sneakers from Adidas, will I be supporting child slavery, etc. </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:Basically you want to browse the [[Research Wiki]]/[[Opinion Wiki]] which does not exist yet. Right now the [[Development Wiki]] is serving multiple purposes, but it serves those pretty well. Abstract language like [[Consumerium buying signal]] and [[terminal device]] is quite necessary for development purposes, but you are right, the ordinary user shouldn't see it.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I'm new and don't want to step on toes by editing the main page, esp. if I have a different vision of what this should be. Do you mind if I give it a go and you can revert? Or should I discuss this somewhere else? [[User:DanKeshet|DanKeshet]] 22:08, 10 Mar 2004 (EET)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:Please do ''not'' edit the [[Main Page]] of the [[Development Wiki]] to focus on end user concerns. This should be at http://consumerium.org itself - the REAL front page. The user doesn't want to become a wiki contributor to look up information such as you note. Right now all that is there is an ad for Wikipedia that assumes you already know what a "wiki" is, etc., which drives away most users. It MUST change, and it MUST change NOW. So if you want to prototype an HTML page for http://consumerium.org that would be very very welcome. There's some comment on it here, do a search or two, it has some non-obvious name like "things to do"</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:Long run, there are three different groups to serve, so there must be a [[Main Page User]], [[Main Page Researcher]] and a [[Main Page Developer]], and also a [[Main Page Troll]] possibly. </ins></div></td></tr>
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