Editing Talk:Consumerium Process

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The '''Consumerium Process''' is how data gets from unreliable anonymous trolls to the [[Consumerium buying signal]] to bring down major transnats as the [[CGO]] fends off their lawsuits.  It is not going to be easy to figure out.

Vaguely, the idea so far is:

==Research Wiki==
*Anonymous [[trolls]] dump unreliable crap data into the [[Research Wiki]] claiming it has excellent credentials and is true beyond reasonable doubt.  
*Actual researchers investigate these claims to the best of their ability and refine this crap into [[Consumerium:intermediate page]]s that they sign and [[edits, votes and bets|somehow stake something on so we know they believe it]].  
*The crap and quality must co-exist in the same wiki, this is where it gets sorted out.
*One option besides signing, would be to use '''time not edited''', that an article is not edited by anyone to determine when it goes to the [[Signal Wiki]] but this apparently has the disadvantage that people who wish to stop some intermediate article reaching the Signal Wiki could make trivial edits to keep the time from elapsing.

==Signal Wiki==

*Signed pages are assumed correct by default.  
*But because this information is not factually reliable, and there might be serious implications of releasing it, it goes through a final stage at the [[Signal Wiki]] where the [[Consumerium Governance Organization]] makes its standard disclaimers and if necessary edits out stuff that it can't release, perhaps per country.  
*We don't say that ''anything'' is necessarily a "fact", for legal reasons, ''Note that the [[Content Wiki]] conception assumed that we could.  But, really, we can't.''

==Campaigns==

IMHO [[Campaigns]] are essential to the generating the [[Consumerium buying signal]] so I think they should be in [[Signal Wiki]]. Not sure though. Any arguments against?--[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 23:31, 11 Mar 2004 (EET)

I suggest that [[Campaigns]] and [[TCE]] functionality should go to the [[Signal Wiki]] for the [[Campaign]]-functionality is briefly described as '''facts''' about some[[body]] expressing an '''opinion''' about something or '''facts''' about someones '''support''' for some '''opinion'''

Now the strict multilevel security measures described in [[Opinion Wiki]] will have to be played down to make [[Signal Wiki]] operation more feasible. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 22:13, 11 Mar 2004 (EET)

Things that campaigns claim are true should be fact-checked, like any other research.  
:Why? [[Campaigns]] can state whatever (as long as it's not offensive) and if it bears no resemblance to reality then the [[votes|support]] of the Campaign would be relatively low rendering it "out of sight" or the bottom of the pack. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 13:30, 14 Mar 2004 (EET)

So there's an argument to require them to encounter "the other side", i.e. opposing [[faction]]s, fairly early.  Though, for a campaign to be effective, it would have to be able to propagate its own idea of its message into the [[Signal Wiki]], so, probably, it has a presence in both of these.  One can think of it as somewhat higher integrity [[advertising]], perhaps.

The difference between [[Campaign]] and not, might be, a campaign signal must be passed or failed, and cannot be edited.  
:What does pass or fail mean in practice? The [[Lowest Troll]] does not understand. --[[User:Juxo|Juxo]] 13:30, 14 Mar 2004 (EET)

While one can edit a non-campaign signal.  Note that [[advertising]] for [[green light]] products would work on the same grounds, and we might be able to charge for those to make the whole [[healthy signal infrastructure]] [[self-funding]].  Just one of many ideas to make us less dependent on [[volunteer labour]], which always comes with biases.

==Development Wiki==
*Every problem ends up back at this [[Development Wiki]] or [[Noise Wiki]] as it's humorically called by some where more [[trolls]] gnaw on it.

See also [[Talk:Development Wiki]] for more on this.

==Paper Consumerium==

:Also we should rethink everything about [[Signal Wiki]] to accomodate the concerns [[User:DanKeshet]] raised.  The idea of printing a book is a good one, and it's now dealt with in [[Consumerium buying signal]] directly.  It is lower tech than the [[audio]] stuff even.  And it would certainly serve for instance purposes like the [[Big Carrot]]'s, they could print the book and go through to figure out if they really had to stock a product, or if they could ditch it and there was sufficient competing substitutes (something a human has to figure out).  Remember, getting the crap off the [[retail shelf]] entirely has the biggest impact!  Anyone willing to be [[friendly retail]] might also be quite willing to vet their products this way!